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06-25-2010, 07:00 AM | #45 | |
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To me this is a design issue clearly as BMW designed out the magnesium cover after a brief production run on our cars. It's the magnesium cover that forces use of use once "aluminum bolts". Remember when the N52 was voted the best thing since sliced bread? My feeling is that if I wanted a leaky valve cover, I'll just stick with an american car. I would rather see BMW step up and take care of this, but if y'all think this opinion is too harsh, I'm sure you'll let me know.
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06-25-2010, 01:00 PM | #46 | |
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I have to agree. I talked a a BMW tech about this and discovered that the issue wasn't so much that the bolts are weak, but they were torques to the incorrect specification. I'm wondering if BMW might have to warrenty the repair since the defect was present at the date of manufacture.
I just had my bolts and gasket replaced yesterday and $1000 to $1200 is normal. But 7 hrs is more than book. Book is 5.5 hrs I think, but I need to confirm that. Quote:
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06-25-2010, 02:32 PM | #47 | |
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Pic of the broken bolt on my N52
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06-25-2010, 04:49 PM | #48 |
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like how the 335s have the fuel pump problem and have warranty till 100k we should have this for 100k as well.
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06-25-2010, 08:58 PM | #49 |
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I will likely write to BMW NA once I locate a good mailbox to send it to.
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06-26-2010, 04:40 AM | #50 |
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06-26-2010, 09:54 AM | #51 |
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i agree this seems to be a design flaw and bmw should do something about it.
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06-26-2010, 04:11 PM | #52 |
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i've seen people get it within these miles 30xxx-60xxx that is pretty consistent. most people i know have got it after their warranty expired which is pretty BS because of how much it cost to fix the problem.
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06-28-2010, 05:03 PM | #53 | |
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Here's what a $1K repair looks like.
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06-28-2010, 05:20 PM | #54 |
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is this problem just random or related to driving-style at all?
if aggressive driving could raise the chance of triggering this issue, i better start slowing down..
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06-28-2010, 05:36 PM | #55 |
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It is not related to aggressive driving. The bolts were not torqued correctly from the factory and will break from normal vibrations from the engine and road. Once you fix it the problem will usually never return. It's not a problem with the bolts themselves but they are fragile.
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06-28-2010, 05:47 PM | #56 | |
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Part of what I'm hoping this thread will do is encourage N52 owners to look at their cars and either report they've paid for this repair or look in their engine bay and spot the oil leak on the left bank of the engine right under the valve cover. If you spot a oil leak, it shouldn't be hard to locate a broken bolt. This is a crappy design just because of the fact that BMW decided to change out the magnesium valve cover in place of plastic in later vintage of the engine. I suppose it could also be a quality issue with the bolts themselves, but I suspect that they can't stand up to the resonant frequency the engine transmits and this problem will only resurface again in the future. To state more around what my personal situation is, I found a local trustworthy repair shop and had them back out the broken stud which shouldn't be hard to do, and replaced just the bad bolt. Hopefully restoring a proper bolt will resolve the leak, but I am suspicious. It will take a few months of regular driving to convince myself either way. I ended up paying for one hour of labor. To say more about the leak itself, I never lost enough oil to have to add any (remember these engines hold 7 qts of oil), but the fact the leak is there means that your engine bay will get dirty, and I hate dirty for a car I spent this much money on.
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06-28-2010, 06:33 PM | #57 |
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I talked to a BMW tech about this. He never sees the the bolts that were fixed ever have issue again. Also, the reason BMW changed the design was not really that it was defective (though it might have been), but rather that plastic is way cheaper to mass produce than magnesium.
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06-28-2010, 06:46 PM | #58 | |
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So are you saying the tq spec was revised? Do you have the original factory value and the newly published ones? The one that failed on my engine looks like it could be one of the higher stress points. I am not a big fan of plastic valve covers. The one in my 3.8L Ford Windstar developed vacuum leaks as the car got older. Despite all the praise that the designers got for that (as was the case with the N52), the long term reliability issues are more important to me.
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06-30-2010, 11:40 AM | #59 |
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Has anyone tried to change the bolt(s) without changing the gasket?
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06-30-2010, 01:48 PM | #60 | |
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The question for me now is since some oil got past the gasket, will torquing the cover down actually block the seepage. Time will tell.
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06-30-2010, 01:55 PM | #61 |
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That's a bad idea. Once the bolt brakes, the gasket becomes saturated in oil and looses its sealing properties. Oil will diffuse through the existing oil in the gasket. If you're going to remove all the bolts anyway, replace the gasket.
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06-30-2010, 02:17 PM | #62 | |
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06-30-2010, 02:43 PM | #63 | |
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Again, I would prefer BMW take care of this issue.
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07-01-2010, 11:41 AM | #64 |
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So far I checked the front part of valve cover and I don't see any leaks. I also don't smell any oil burning and I don't see any smoke. This weekend I will get to the bottom of this. I hope the leak is coming from the rear of the valve cover.
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07-01-2010, 12:49 PM | #65 |
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I just ran out and checked on my car, took the plastic cover off and no oil leaks at all around the gasket area and both of those bolts are still intact...ive got 57k on the clock. Guess ill just keep an eye out for this.
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08-02-2010, 06:37 PM | #66 |
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I think I might have this problem. There is a slight burning smell coming from my car that is only apparent when you get out of the car. I don't have a low oil light on or anything. The smell isn't coming from the engine because I popped the hood and couldn't smell it. I'm still not sure exactly where to look for this. I just look to the left of the engine? How urgent is this? I have an 1100 mile drive coming up in a couple of weeks and am not sure if I need to get this taken care of before.
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