Whoops! - 335i - 0 Vs Armco

Hotcoupe · 04-13-2013, 04:19 PM

AlanYoro35i · 04-13-2013, 04:24 PM

Ouch...i wonder what went wrong...lol

djgandy · 04-13-2013, 04:33 PM

Completely missed the apex for a start. And with all that white stuff on the edge of the track waaaaaaaay too much speed! Even in normal conditions that was ambitious!

MEGA · 04-13-2013, 05:02 PM

To me it looked like he had some level of TCS enabled because the car started to turn in and then decided it would rather go straight.

I know of a certain someone whom the same thing happened to.

Brian mc21 · 04-13-2013, 05:19 PM

safety_james · 04-13-2013, 05:20 PM

Oops. Regardless of the snowy run offs, the wrong line combined with the wrong entry speed meant that was never going to end well!

SteveC · 04-13-2013, 05:22 PM

when the entry speed is too high and you try to brake hard and turn at the same time.

djgandy · 04-13-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by safety_james

Oops. Regardless of the snowy run offs, the wrong line combined with the wrong entry speed meant that was never going to end well!

Maybe on a sunny day the end result wouldn't have been so bad, although the line was still terrible. But with that much snow on the side of the track you have to assume the track will be very slippy and cold. I wonder if this was the first lap lol.

A_P · 04-14-2013, 04:06 AM

Cant put that down to weather.

The dude was driving like a fringe. Wrong line. Too fast. Understeer. Either balls of steel or just doesn't know how to spell steel.

willhollin · 04-14-2013, 05:02 AM

Probably hadn't got his winter tyres on.

mowflow · 04-14-2013, 05:08 AM

Even a rather terrible track driver like myself could see most of what was wrong with that. Entry to fast, turn in to early, no concept of what an apex is let alone where. He nearly lost in on the corner before as well.

Danny.B. · 04-14-2013, 06:28 AM

christ that was a hit, hope they were ok!

Apl440i or 335d? · 04-14-2013, 11:59 AM

Bad times!

The secondary impact on the other side of the track would have added insult to injury!

sylonien · 04-14-2013, 01:30 PM

Ouch... why oh why. I didn't even go anywhere near 100% when it was in summer when I went.

Don't want anything like that to happen.

SteveC · 04-15-2013, 03:13 AM

The 3 Series and indeed all the BMWs I've driven are predominantly oversteerers.

Come into a corner too hot and the back end with step out and the car will try to spin. M cars have LSDs which makes this behaviour far more progressive and manageable. In regular 3 series the oversteer is less progressive and the car will snap quickly and can be quite a handful to catch.

In this video, the car understeers straight into the Armco.....not typical of a 3Series at all. If you watch the slo-mo you'll see that the wheels aren't turning or only turning slowly. What this video shows is the importance of either knowing the track or of being able to see the apex of a bend. This bend is a double apex.....the 2nd apex is after the crash site. Clearly the entry speed was way too high...however left to its own devices a BMW would either kick out its tail, allowing a skilled driver to powerslide it through or, if the driver wasn't fast enough with opposite lock and enough power, spin and scrub off some speed before tagging a barrier.

The worst thing you can do with a BMW going too fast into a bend is to climb on and hold the brakes.....at that speed the tyres can either turn or brake, but not both, as the video clearly demonstrates.

Dizzle · 04-15-2013, 04:28 AM

ouch....... think we have some budding race drivers on this forum judging by the above comments.

simmo1985 · 04-15-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dizzle

ouch....... think we have some budding race drivers on this forum judging by the above comments.

Beat me to it!!

nicktyler · 04-15-2013, 10:02 AM

What ever happened it's not going to help him now.

Isn't this the corner that gets everyone? I remember a few videos of 100's of people suffering the same fate to varying degrees, seemingly in a row. Not sure how long it was actually filmed over though

djgandy · 04-15-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nicktyler

What ever happened it's not going to help him now.

Isn't this the corner that gets everyone? I remember a few videos of 100's of people suffering the same fate to varying degrees, seemingly in a row. Not sure how long it was actually filmed over though

Yep, this corner gets everyone, and despite hundreds of videos of people smashing their cars apart on it people still do it.

mrbillytalent · 04-15-2013, 11:07 AM

I agree on the horrible line coming into that turn. The understeer is uncharacteristic of our cars but I don't feel informed enough to claim anything more than that.

Look at his drives side front wheel after he hits the second wall, it has a seizure.

SteveC · 04-15-2013, 01:14 PM

a lot of examples actually of how staying off the brakes will get you safely (relatively) through that corner

Greg330 · 04-15-2013, 03:28 PM

Ambition out weighed skill in the first video!!

Some very lucky people in the last video....

04-13-2013, 04:19 PM	#1
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djgandy Colonel 146 Rep 2,337 Posts Drives: E93 M3 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: London iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 M3 [0.00]	Completely missed the apex for a start. And with all that white stuff on the edge of the track waaaaaaaay too much speed! Even in normal conditions that was ambitious!
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MEGA Dieseasal 204 Rep 6,881 Posts Drives: LCI E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Harrow, London iTrader: (2)	To me it looked like he had some level of TCS enabled because the car started to turn in and then decided it would rather go straight. I know of a certain someone whom the same thing happened to. __________________ Previously: 2003 Peugeot 206 1.6 8v \| 2006 E90 320d M-Sport, 19" BBS CH, Full Ice-cold JL audio install, August 2010 Total BMW 6 page feature car. \| 2003 Nissan 350Z GT Coupe 286BHP Now:2010 E92 LCI 335d M-Sport
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SteveC Major 220 Rep 1,231 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North East iTrader: (1)	That'll always happen when the entry speed is too high and you try to brake hard and turn at the same time.
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04-14-2013, 04:06 AM	#9
A_P Lieutenant Colonel 57 Rep 1,698 Posts Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: South East iTrader: (0)	Cant put that down to weather. The dude was driving like a fringe. Wrong line. Too fast. Understeer. Either balls of steel or just doesn't know how to spell steel.
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willhollin Major General 268 Rep 9,915 Posts Drives: VW T5 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Worcestershire iTrader: (1) Garage List 2007 BMW E92 330d SE [10.00] 2010 Transporter T5 ... [0.00]	Probably hadn't got his winter tyres on. __________________
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mowflow Colonel 62 Rep 2,472 Posts Drives: Golf 7R Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Glasgow iTrader: (2)	Even a rather terrible track driver like myself could see most of what was wrong with that. Entry to fast, turn in to early, no concept of what an apex is let alone where. He nearly lost in on the corner before as well. __________________ Daily Golf R Project Peugeot 205 1.6 GTi
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Danny.B. Lieutenant Colonel 94 Rep 1,581 Posts Drives: E90 330d M Sport Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: England - Lincolnshire iTrader: (1)	christ that was a hit, hope they were ok! __________________
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04-14-2013, 11:59 AM	#13
Apl440i or 335d? Colonel 480 Rep 2,324 Posts Drives: F30 335D Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Walton on Thames iTrader: (1)	Bad times! The secondary impact on the other side of the track would have added insult to injury!
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04-14-2013, 01:30 PM	#14
sylonien Major 114 Rep 1,326 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Ouch... why oh why. I didn't even go anywhere near 100% when it was in summer when I went. Don't want anything like that to happen. __________________ Please consider checking out my YouTube Channel for car and tech videos.
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04-15-2013, 03:13 AM	#15
SteveC Major 220 Rep 1,231 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North East iTrader: (1)	3 Series The 3 Series and indeed all the BMWs I've driven are predominantly oversteerers. Come into a corner too hot and the back end with step out and the car will try to spin. M cars have LSDs which makes this behaviour far more progressive and manageable. In regular 3 series the oversteer is less progressive and the car will snap quickly and can be quite a handful to catch. In this video, the car understeers straight into the Armco.....not typical of a 3Series at all. If you watch the slo-mo you'll see that the wheels aren't turning or only turning slowly. What this video shows is the importance of either knowing the track or of being able to see the apex of a bend. This bend is a double apex.....the 2nd apex is after the crash site. Clearly the entry speed was way too high...however left to its own devices a BMW would either kick out its tail, allowing a skilled driver to powerslide it through or, if the driver wasn't fast enough with opposite lock and enough power, spin and scrub off some speed before tagging a barrier. The worst thing you can do with a BMW going too fast into a bend is to climb on and hold the brakes.....at that speed the tyres can either turn or brake, but not both, as the video clearly demonstrates.
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Dizzle Major 56 Rep 1,255 Posts Drives: F30 335xD Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: UK, Staffordshire iTrader: (0)	ouch....... think we have some budding race drivers on this forum judging by the above comments.
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04-15-2013, 10:02 AM	#18
nicktyler Major 32 Rep 1,271 Posts Drives: 335i (sadly gone) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Essex iTrader: (3) Garage List 2007 BMW E92 335i [0.00]	What ever happened it's not going to help him now. Isn't this the corner that gets everyone? I remember a few videos of 100's of people suffering the same fate to varying degrees, seemingly in a row. Not sure how long it was actually filmed over though
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04-15-2013, 11:07 AM	#20
mrbillytalent Lieutenant 17 Rep 575 Posts Drives: '99 e46 323i & '07 e90 335i Join Date: May 2012 Location: Toledo OH iTrader: (1)	I agree on the horrible line coming into that turn. The understeer is uncharacteristic of our cars but I don't feel informed enough to claim anything more than that. Look at his drives side front wheel after he hits the second wall, it has a seizure.
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04-15-2013, 01:14 PM	#21
SteveC Major 220 Rep 1,231 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North East iTrader: (1)	Here are a few examples a lot of examples actually of how staying off the brakes will get you safely (relatively) through that corner
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04-15-2013, 03:28 PM	#22
Greg330 Major 67 Rep 1,273 Posts Drives: E91 335i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: South Coast iTrader: (0)	Ambition out weighed skill in the first video!! Some very lucky people in the last video....
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