Shiv

CaptOz · 07-22-2007, 02:41 AM

After my track day last week with my PROcede’d 335i, I have come to the conclusion that my open rear diff is my biggest handicap (not counting my driving skills of course).

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Reference: "The best day ever" http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72747

While I was able to out-run a 911 4S (996) on the day, in the future I want to show the Porsche/Ferrari drivers what a 335i can really do.

Fortunately, by the time we all next meet on the track in a couple of months or so, I will no doubt have version 2 installed. Hence I think I need to also install a LSD to be able to apply this power to the track surface.

Shiv, I know you run a Quaife LSD in your car and wonder if you would recommend one for me?

Someone told me the Drexler LSD was very good but it seems very pricey – in Australia at least.

I love my PROcede-powered 335i and had so much fun on the track with it. Thank you Shiv.

Cheers.

e.n335 · 07-22-2007, 03:43 AM

I'm not Shiv

but the Quaife is my first choice. It's clutchless, quite some of us have it in their car's and are very satisfied with it.

The Drexler is a clutch-type diff and AMG uses it in their cars. AMG tested the diff 300.000 km on the Nordschleife and it works well. The 335i's in the Bathurst race used this diff.

IMO both diffs are excellent, as already mentioned I prefer the Quaife and will have it installed before wintertime.

Cheers
Eugen

jon@themshop · 07-22-2007, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

IMO both diffs are excellent, as already mentioned I prefer the Quaife and will have it installed before wintertime.

Cheers
Eugen

Whats the production date of your 335i? Later production date 335i models had the ring gear welded to the case making it impossible to remove install a LSD unit. I haven't heard anyone coming up with a solution yet unless you buy a complete entire differential with the LSD installed which can be a lot of money.

e.n335 · 07-22-2007, 04:08 AM

I am aware about this welded diff and expect Quaife will find a solution soon. If not, I will probably go with the Drexler, if the price difference is worth to mention. I want the LSD primary for the wintertime. The e46 M3 with its LSD has been behaving great on snow, which is a normal condition where I live. The 335i should behave the same.

Cheers
Eugen

Panoz · 07-22-2007, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jon@themshop

Whats the production date of your 335i? Later production date 335i models had the ring gear welded to the case making it impossible to remove install a LSD unit. I haven't heard anyone coming up with a solution yet unless you buy a complete entire differential with the LSD installed which can be a lot of money.

Please define the "later production" . What dates are we talking about?

Panoz · 07-22-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

The e46 M3 with its LSD has been behaving great on snow, which is a normal condition where I live.

LOL...and why have you bought a convertible?

I noticed also that in Northern countries there are more convertibles even than Greece ,Italy & Spain... I never understood why i.e London is full of convertibles as its raining all year long there.

e.n335 · 07-22-2007, 04:39 AM

The e93 is my first vert I have. The only reason I deciced this time for a convertible is that it has a steel roof and feels like a e92 when it is closed ( except of the weight, the PROcede does a good job here ). We have around 5-6 months where you can drive open ( > 20 degrees celsius ) which is good enough for me to go for the e93 and sell my motorbike. It was a good decision.

I enjoy it

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Cheers
Eugen

e.n335 · 07-22-2007, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Panoz

Please define the "later production" . What dates are we talking about?

The diff changed 03-04/2007 which causes much more efforts / parts / money to drop in a LSD. I'm sure I have a welded one, build 04/24/2007.

Panoz · 07-22-2007, 04:52 AM

Ok..i'm one of the "lucky-ones" as my car is an October 06 production car.

e.n335 · 07-22-2007, 04:56 AM

Definitely. I am waiting for Birds/UK to come up with a solution for the Quaife and welded diffs. Of course, I like to see how the car behaves on snow with DSC/DTC/CBC on first.

@ Panoz: How often did you launch with DTC off up to now ?

CaptOz · 07-22-2007, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon@themshop

Whats the production date of your 335i? Later production date 335i models had the ring gear welded to the case making it impossible to remove install a LSD unit. I haven't heard anyone coming up with a solution yet unless you buy a complete entire differential with the LSD installed which can be a lot of money.

My e92 is a October 2006 build. Hopefully that is early enough to allow for an LSD.

Cheers.

Panoz · 07-22-2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

Panoz: How often did you launch with DTC off up to now ?

Plenty...but not from complete stop. I use to drag-race form 2nd gear around 60Kmh.

e.n335 · 07-22-2007, 05:07 AM

It's always good when you have not spent your last penny for the car so that you can go for a LSD if you like it, even when it will cost a bit more

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e.n335 · 07-22-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Panoz

Plenty...but not from complete stop. I use to drag-race form 2nd gear around 60Kmh.

Thanks. I didn't know you race the car

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Panoz · 07-22-2007, 07:47 AM

I'm not saying I'm racing. I'm just stressing some "quick guys" when I get the chance

BoostedBMW · 07-22-2007, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon@themshop

Whats the production date of your 335i? Later production date 335i models had the ring gear welded to the case making it impossible to remove install a LSD unit. I haven't heard anyone coming up with a solution yet unless you buy a complete entire differential with the LSD installed which can be a lot of money.

Hmmm.... so you can still swap the entire pumpkin if you wanted to like any other car, correct? I think I would just swap the entire diff anyway for ease of installation, but I wonder if quaife would offer a core exchange with their LSD. This was a pretty common thing among the s2000 community when swapping out diffs for a higher final drive ratio.

Panoz · 07-22-2007, 11:35 AM

Question: Wouldn't an M3-E92 LSD would fit properly to a 335i ?
Why should we make experiments with Quaife and other aftermarket LSD's? Dont you think that the official BMW-M LSDs would have the most appropriate setting in order to cooperate with our cars by the best possible ways?

Coldintake · 07-22-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Panoz

Question: Wouldn't an M3-E92 LSD would fit properly to a 335i ?
Why should we make experiments with Quaife and other aftermarket LSD's? Dont you think that the official BMW-M LSDs would have the most appropriate setting in order to cooperate with our cars by the best possible ways?

Fitment. Historically, M Diff's do not fit their non-m counterparts.

Panoz · 07-22-2007, 11:51 AM

Oh...didn't know that. I hope this will change in E92's case.

NPDAN · 07-22-2007, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e.n335

The diff changed 03-04/2007 which causes much more efforts / parts / money to drop in a LSD. I'm sure I have a welded one, build 04/24/2007.

I heard it was March 07' which is why I've been holding off...

Seattle135is · 07-22-2007, 12:57 PM

What's the price of the Quaife? I probably lucked out - my build date is 01/07...

Lee Rambler · 07-22-2007, 05:25 PM

any word on WHY they changed the diff? anybody thought of the LSD out of a e46 330 or z4 with the performance package? it's my understanding they had LSD's in those. i know my Z3 has one. kind of doubt it would work from one of those though.... but if someone tells me otherwise, i'm sure there's a wrecked donor car out there somewhere

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CaptOz Captain 31 Rep 833 Posts Drives: Porsche 911 Carrera S Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	Shiv – need LSD for my “Track Addiction” After my track day last week with my PROcede’d 335i, I have come to the conclusion that my open rear diff is my biggest handicap (not counting my driving skills of course). . Reference: "The best day ever" http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72747 While I was able to out-run a 911 4S (996) on the day, in the future I want to show the Porsche/Ferrari drivers what a 335i can really do. Fortunately, by the time we all next meet on the track in a couple of months or so, I will no doubt have version 2 installed. Hence I think I need to also install a LSD to be able to apply this power to the track surface. Shiv, I know you run a Quaife LSD in your car and wonder if you would recommend one for me? Someone told me the Drexler LSD was very good but it seems very pricey – in Australia at least. I love my PROcede-powered 335i and had so much fun on the track with it. Thank you Shiv. Cheers. Last edited by CaptOz; 07-22-2007 at 04:57 AM..
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	I'm not Shiv but the Quaife is my first choice. It's clutchless, quite some of us have it in their car's and are very satisfied with it. The Drexler is a clutch-type diff and AMG uses it in their cars. AMG tested the diff 300.000 km on the Nordschleife and it works well. The 335i's in the Bathurst race used this diff. IMO both diffs are excellent, as already mentioned I prefer the Quaife and will have it installed before wintertime. Cheers Eugen
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	I am aware about this welded diff and expect Quaife will find a solution soon. If not, I will probably go with the Drexler, if the price difference is worth to mention. I want the LSD primary for the wintertime. The e46 M3 with its LSD has been behaving great on snow, which is a normal condition where I live. The 335i should behave the same. Cheers Eugen
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	The e93 is my first vert I have. The only reason I deciced this time for a convertible is that it has a steel roof and feels like a e92 when it is closed ( except of the weight, the PROcede does a good job here ). We have around 5-6 months where you can drive open ( > 20 degrees celsius ) which is good enough for me to go for the e93 and sell my motorbike. It was a good decision. I enjoy it . Cheers Eugen
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Definitely. I am waiting for Birds/UK to come up with a solution for the Quaife and welded diffs. Of course, I like to see how the car behaves on snow with DSC/DTC/CBC on first. @ Panoz: How often did you launch with DTC off up to now ?
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	It's always good when you have not spent your last penny for the car so that you can go for a LSD if you like it, even when it will cost a bit more .
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Panoz Lieutenant Colonel 84 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: E92 Space Grey 335i ,Aero Kit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: EU iTrader: (0)	Question: Wouldn't an M3-E92 LSD would fit properly to a 335i ? Why should we make experiments with Quaife and other aftermarket LSD's? Dont you think that the official BMW-M LSDs would have the most appropriate setting in order to cooperate with our cars by the best possible ways? __________________ Procede V4 , Catless DPs, Forge FMIC, Injen Intake, VK Oilcooler, Hartge Quads Exhaust, Modded CDV, Synapse BOV Kit, BMW Performance 335i SSK Kit, P3 vent boost gauge Space Grey 335i -> See more pics HERE
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Panoz Lieutenant Colonel 84 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: E92 Space Grey 335i ,Aero Kit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: EU iTrader: (0)	Oh...didn't know that. I hope this will change in E92's case. __________________ Procede V4 , Catless DPs, Forge FMIC, Injen Intake, VK Oilcooler, Hartge Quads Exhaust, Modded CDV, Synapse BOV Kit, BMW Performance 335i SSK Kit, P3 vent boost gauge Space Grey 335i -> See more pics HERE
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Lee Rambler Captain 17 Rep 605 Posts Drives: 07 e92 335 6mt, 04 e53 x5 4.4 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: PA iTrader: (0)	any word on WHY they changed the diff? anybody thought of the LSD out of a e46 330 or z4 with the performance package? it's my understanding they had LSD's in those. i know my Z3 has one. kind of doubt it would work from one of those though.... but if someone tells me otherwise, i'm sure there's a wrecked donor car out there somewhere
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