[parksjm7]

After reading about how our stock toe arms are prone to deflection and unstable toe angles in the rear, and reading reviews of Megan / Rogue Engineering rear toe arms for our cars, I was convinced that I needed to replace the parts after I took out my runflats in the rear.

As far as I've read, Megan Racing toe arm is a safe bet, but I decided I'll take a chance on a lesser known brand for roughly half the price - I didn't see any reviews of the product, but who knows? might be a hidden gem.

http://www.manzousa.com/index.php/main

http://www.manzousa.com/index.php/bm...-m-models.html

Just got the package today

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I think the part looks rather good, and everything feels very solid as well.

I'm not sure when I'll get around to replacing the parts, especially with the current cold spell adding to my procrastination and laziness, but I'll post up a review after I've done so, albeit it'll be a very basic / amateur one since I don't have much suspension tuning experience, but I'm sure I'll notice if the slopping feeling in the rear is reduced. First step is picking up new some flex bolts that connect the toe link to hub.

And yeah, I think the manzo logo sticker can be easily removed.

Stay tuned.

Update:

The arms are installed and aligned and they feel great! I'm thinking next step from here is the subframe bushings but for street use, I'm not so sure that I need it. The rear slop has been eliminated and the car feels confident in the corners. Definitely worth the price, just make sure it gets aligned in reasonable time, otherwise you'll battle the Steering angle sensor and dsc module acting up, as I am now.

[EJ_3]

In for review.

[cvc 22349a]

Are they made of steel or aluminum ? The ends aren't spherical bearings so they shouldn't be clanky. I might try these myself. Thanks for posting.

[parksjm7]

Originally Posted by cvc 22349a

Are they made of steel or aluminum ? The ends aren't spherical bearings so they shouldn't be clanky. I might try these myself. Thanks for posting.

My pleasure. As far as I can tell, the construction is steel - they're pretty weighty and I can't see anyone offering aluminum arms for their price

[mikey G]

How much adjustability is there? In for results...im interested to see how these hold up for the price.

[parksjm7]

Originally Posted by mikey G

How much adjustability is there? In for results...im interested to see how these hold up for the price.

I'm told +/- 3 degrees of toe, more than necessary. The reason why I got them is to replace the stock toe arms which allow deflection of toe angles (to accomodate the stiffness of RFTs as far as I know) and are pretty tired by now at 8+ years running, and since they're adjustable on the arms themselves rather than at the mounting points, I won't need to replace the toe arm flex nut everytime I get an alignment. Megans for ~$220 and Rogue arms for ~300 seemed a bit pricey considering that I don't need much adjustability and never track my car or do much aggressive cornering in my driving. I'm hopeful that these will do the job and hold up well.

[Stucks]

They don't look half bad! I just received my megan racing rear toe arms a week ago, and now wished I had saved the money and bought these lol

[andrey_gta]

take pics. they look like early versions of Megan's

[darkhors]

Any update on how these are? Looking to pick up a set, so just curious as to what you think.

[parksjm7]

Originally Posted by darkhors

Any update on how these are? Looking to pick up a set, so just curious as to what you think.

I'll install em once it gets a little warmer out - yeah I'm pretty anxious to find out if these are any good

[darkhors]

I think I'm just going to pull the trigger and get 'em. They're the same cost as buying the OEM ones give or take a few dollars.

[parksjm7]

Originally Posted by darkhors

I think I'm just going to pull the trigger and get 'em. They're the same cost as buying the OEM ones give or take a few dollars.

You'll probably install them before me - Please post a review!

[dbworld4k]

I've had a set of these on my car since July. No issues so far, and it really helped to get my toe down to 0.1 in the back! It was way out of spec before and the car pulled in different directions when flooring it.

Can't beat them for the price. Oh, and I peeled off that damn Manzo sticker :P

[cvc 22349a]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

I've had a set of these on my car since July. No issues so far, and it really helped to get my toe down to 0.1 in the back! It was way out of spec before and the car pulled in different directions when flooring it.

Can't beat them for the price. Oh, and I peeled off that damn Manzo sticker :P

Do you know if the rubber joints are harder than oem bushings?

[dbworld4k]

Originally Posted by cvc 22349a

Do you know if the rubber joints are harder than oem bushings?

I am honestly not sure. I can tell you that they definitely don't squeak or make any noise as with harder type bushings.

[parksjm7]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

I am honestly not sure. I can tell you that they definitely don't squeak or make any noise as with harder type bushings.

Good stuff- what was your reason for getting them? You have any feedback on whether it tightened up the rear of the car? Many people complained that the stock toe arms caused too much deflection leading to a loose feeling rear end and I was curious if these take care of the issue.

[cvc 22349a]

^ The stock arms are plenty rigid and made of steel. It's the soft bushings that lead to toe changes under hard acceleration and cornering.
I'm curious too as I'm getting an alignment soon and would throw these on if I knew these links provided more rear stability.

[Game]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

I've had a set of these on my car since July. No issues so far, and it really helped to get my toe down to 0.1 in the back! It was way out of spec before and the car pulled in different directions when flooring it.

Can't beat them for the price. Oh, and I peeled off that damn Manzo sticker :P

Did you get their camber kit or control arms as well?

[dbworld4k]

Originally Posted by parksjm7

Good stuff- what was your reason for getting them? You have any feedback on whether it tightened up the rear of the car? Many people complained that the stock toe arms caused too much deflection leading to a loose feeling rear end and I was curious if these take care of the issue.

My toe was out to lunch and every time I floored the car, the rear would feel like on side wanted to go in the opposite direction than the other. It felt like severe deflection.

I put it on the alignment rack and the toe was way out of spec, so either my arm was damaged or the bushing was - I'm not sure. Not wanting to risk being unable to bring the toe within spec with spending money on a new OEM arm, I opted to get adjustable toe arms from the get go, to bring the toe back in even if something else was causing the numbers to be out.

Bringing it within spec totally changed the feel of the car having no more wild deflection from the rear every time I put my foot down. It feels much safer.

[dbworld4k]

Originally Posted by Game

Did you get their camber kit or control arms as well?

No I did not get their camber stuff as my camber settings are fine for a daily driver and not too extreme.

[Game]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

No I did not get their camber stuff as my camber settings are fine for a daily driver and not too extreme.

Hey completely off topic, but I saw a "badbavarians" instagram page just posted up a picture of your E39.

[dbworld4k]

Originally Posted by Game

Hey completely off topic, but I saw a "badbavarians" instagram page just posted up a picture of your E39.

Hehe, thanks. It's funny how often that happens on IG and some of friends end up tagging me :P