[Clap135]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

Being 100% sure doesn't mean being right. The guy doesn't seem to grasp the fact that the knock sensors have an active and constant role in car management, and nowadays they are not only used by the manufacturer to prevent failure but to increase efficiency as well.

And you seem to not grasp the fact that droping timing due to the knock sensor at the stock tune is vastly different from doing the same at double the boost.

jp said it best, you want me gone cause I challenge people who simply sell parts? Simply post data that prooves me wrong. Good Luck

[tscdennab]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Simply post data that prooves me wrong.

I think you are the one who should post data proving the actual facts wrong. For now, you are only posting words. No one wants you gone, you can keep posting but I suppose you understand that many posts (which is realy one long repeated post) and no facts = diluting your credibility. People will just skip your repeated post.

Given the thousands of JB3s and JB4s sold, and the rate of engine failures on this forum which is 2 (maybe 3) out of thousands while the Procede (which allegedly has "timing control" has at least 2 failures out of much fewer units sold, it's pretty clear to anyone that your theory is wrong and you don't understand the advancements that were being made on engine technology over the last few years.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

I think you are the one who should post data proving the actual facts wrong. For now, you are only posting words. No one wants you gone, you can keep posting but I suppose you understand that many posts (which is realy one long repeated post) and no facts = diluting your credibility. People will just skip your repeated post.

Given the thousands of JB3s and JB4s sold, and the rate of engine failures on this forum which is 2 out of thousands while de Procede (which allegedly has "timing control" has at least 2 failures out of much fewer units sold, it's pretty clear to anyone that your theory is wrong and you don't understand the advancements that were being made on engine technology over the last few years.

Bog was mentioned in this thread by the saleman who thinks hes a tuner. I posted data, and it got ingnore like usual.

Please show data to support jb3 vs procede sales. When you can't do that, attempt to show me the users the blew engines and what they blew. Basic tuning alludes you, the reason we are not seing more engine failure is because the engine is pretty strong, however that does not mean idiotic tuning should take place, cause it is fact that sooner or later it will let go.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

Being 100% sure doesn't mean being right. The guy doesn't seem to grasp the fact that the knock sensors have an active and constant role in car management, and nowadays they are not only used by the manufacturer to prevent failure but to increase efficiency as well.

Keep believing that sport.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Another interesting post on map 5 in action. In this case its likely this customer has been running overly aggressive for the past year without knowing it! Cases like this are where autotuning is going to be a huge leap forward for JB owners.

Here is another example I got from an overseas customer, running what should be 97 RON fuel with downpipes. He used to run map 7 on the JB3. But we can see here map 5 is properly catching knock and slowly ticking down his aggression level while properly ignoring shifting drops. Each dip drops aggression by 1 which is 1/5th of a PSI. In a worst case scenario a very over aggressive target will give you 3 dips per gear so you won't get more then 1-2 pulls before aggression drops to the proper range for your octane. A lot better than running like that for a year as this customer was. On the up swing side it slowly builds up 1/5th of a PSI every ~4 seconds that no knock is detected. So to learn from the default level of 6 up to max (if say you added race gas) would take almost a minute of WOT with no timing drops. About double where I'd like it eventually. Which is why I say its a bit conservative at the moment. Long story short this customer is going to try another gas station soon.

[InCityPhoto]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Bog was mentioned in this thread by the saleman who thinks hes a tuner. I posted data, and it got ingnore like usual.

Please show data to support jb3 vs procede sales. When you can't do that, attempt to show me the users the blew engines and what they blew. Basic tuning alludes you, the reason we are not seing more engine failure is because the engine is pretty strong, however that does not mean idiotic tuning should take place, cause it is fact that sooner or later it will let go.

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Another interesting post on map 5 in action. In this case its likely this customer has been running overly aggressive for the past year without knowing it! Cases like this are where autotuning is going to be a huge leap forward for JB owners.

NICE!!! this is gonna be interesting to play with!

[e92ttaz2]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Actually many members on here met me in person, same thing my friend, it just comes off a little more jokingly in person.

Where did I mention Clap135 in this post?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Interesting post I read from Rob @ Cobb mirroring what I've said about actual detonation being impossible to not feel/not hear on this platform. Tuning to reduce drop outs is a best practice but it's not the be-all-end-all for determining if you have knock despite what many around here say. Monitoring knock sensor voltages is going to be a big step forward on that front and BMS is working on adding those to their learning algorithm.

Originally Posted by Rob@Cobb

The timing being logged on the AP, with other tools, or what the procede uses for timing adjustment is Cylinder 1 timing. The ECU keeps a timing curve for each cylinder which we can log with the tuning software (ATP or ATR). We will eventually be putting the same parameters into the AP log list in the future. As of right now the ECU will not allow us to log the standard BMW PIDs and custom requests via ATP. I am looking into why and how to solve this issue. On the Mini I can log both ways at the same time, go figure.

The ECU is overly ambitious when it comes to pulling timing. Logging stock or modified, it's not unusual to see seemingly random 3-6 degree pulls of timing on different cylinders throughout a pull. During the seemly random timing pulls there is not any excessive movement on the knock sensor voltages. When a few to all cylinders start to "talk" or pull timing in the same location, then the engine is likely working up to a detonation event. Seeing a timing hit of 3 degrees on cylinder 1 randomly really does not mean much. If it happens on every pull in the same place, then yes, the ECU might be detecting a detonation event on the horizon and is proactively pulling timing. Looking into tuning the knock thresholds is another item on my to-do list.

Actual detonation in the N54 is very noticeable both audibly and how the ECU react to the event where is seems like the car stalls for an instant. Not a happy time.

[nissan]

How long should uploading the fw take? It's been 30 mins already and the app still says loading hex?

[Clap135]

How can you possibly refer to what Cobb has stated when you don't even monitor all the cylinders? If you think Cobb agrees with your tuning method, why did they lower ignition to begin with?

[Qmax03]

Oh Snap !! Crackle Pop.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

How can you possibly refer to what Cobb has stated when you don't even monitor all the cylinders? If you think Cobb agrees with your tuning method, why did they lower ignition to begin with?

The two knock sensors cover all cylinders but that wasn't what I was referring to. That detonation/knock in this platform is almost impossible for the driver to miss. It's not a "hmm that run felt OK... wait my log shows a 3 degree drop, I must have knocked" type of thing as many here believe.

Mike

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

The two knock sensors cover all cylinders but that wasn't what I was referring to. That detonation/knock in this platform is almost impossible for the driver to miss. It's not a "hmm that run felt OK... wait my log shows a 3 degree drop, I must have knocked" type of thing as many here believe.

Mike

hook up an audio output to the knock sensor like I have, your mind will drastically change. Once again, why would cobb lower timing if that was the case?

[balance]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Not really. Doing oversite for the epa gets boring

you should become a lawyer

[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by Clap135

hook up an audio output to the knock sensor like I have, your mind will drastically change. Once again, why would cobb lower timing if that was the case?

So u disagree with Cobb that knock is very noticeable on this platform? Y don't u take issue with Cobb on the matter instead Of with Mike?

[onesuperboi]

Originally Posted by Rysandro

So u disagree with Cobb that knock is very noticeable on this platform? Y don't u take issue with Cobb on the matter instead Of with Mike?

Rob@COBB is a tuner for one and knows what he's talking about. And the bottom line is that knocking at stock boost levels is different from knocking at double the boost levels.

If you look at the representation for the JB, there is only Mike and he's a salesperson, not a tuner.

You look at Shiv and Robert, and they are tuners.

Then you have COBB and all of their guys are tuners.

Maybe they should have someone more technical from JB to come on the board and explain the product a bit better because it's hard to respect the words of a person with no tuning background.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Rysandro

So u disagree with Cobb that knock is very noticeable on this platform? Y don't u take issue with Cobb on the matter instead Of with Mike?

WTF are you talking about, I don't have any drop outs on my cobb tune...
Cobb also lower the ignition starting poitn but up to 7 or so degrees, while the juicebox knocks its way down. There are no issues with cobb, mike once again simply bends words to make people like you ask these questions....which is kinda funny.

[tscdennab]

Originally Posted by Clap135

WTF are you talking about, I don't have any drop outs on my cobb tune...

Others have: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491005

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

Others have: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491005

No kidding, do you not see me post in those threads. This will all be solved when users get ATR and tune for their car, not an average meant to work on hundreds of cars.

[InCityPhoto]

Clap,

Honestly what are you trying to get out of this?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Clap,

Honestly what are you trying to get out of this?

To get honesty out to the community? What about you.