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04-16-2009, 08:36 AM | #67 | |
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The rev drop is not the same
The revs drop lower when its auto mode cuz it takes so long to change. When i change it does not drop so quick as ive changed earlier and also quicker with the paddles. and thats Bone Bullshit. You cant get 1.7 60ft on a stock M3, On drag radials just about. 4Wd FQ400 stuggle getting 1.7 60ft.s
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Also Baris, that makes every other M3 in the world absolutely shit then. Especially yours as you even crack a 1.9 60ft (which means you can drive) and still only manage a 13.2 with 360bhp also and only trapping 106.
LOL The car was modified. Im going to be like the americans and call mine bone stock. 335d> bone stock 13.1 yeah.
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You don't change quicker with the paddles. The time taken to change is the same from the point the car in auto mode detects the "up shift" point and from when you manually yank the paddle. What I think you are trying to say is that you stay in the "power band" and the car "feels" quicker when you manually change gear via the paddle, because the engine hasn't dropped out of the power band. But not sure if I agree with this.
Whatever time you lose or save over the 60ft is replicated over the 1/4 mile. So if you shave a 1/10th of over 60ft, you'll see the same drop at a 1/4 mile. |
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There's a world of difference between the power curve on a N/A compared to my turbo lump - I love the bottom and middle range of a turbo, but there's nothing that can compare to the top end of a well-sorted N/A engine
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04-16-2009, 08:48 AM | #74 |
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One thing that we knows is 'its not how you sit on your car, its how you race your car'...
Sorry, I just had to... Seriously though, Carl can probably prove his times and we all know the state of tune. He is a forum member on our forum. Do I believe a load of random text that features a load of numbers and the claim of bone stock from someone else in a different country - do I fuck. Support Carl why dont ya - until someone PROVES otherwise, he is leading this race because he can PROVE what he is saying. Its a little tiresome watching everything this guy posts be bitched and moaned at. OK its a forum an opinions are welcome - I see a lot of people using the popcorn smiley, if there was a huge fucking SIGH smiley, that would be me right now as I see another thread degenerate into shit despite Tony's effort to save it. Matt |
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I won't use the popcorn smiley then but wanted to tag this as it's interesting.
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My only point is there is little purpose in comparing Carl's Santa Pod times with some American guy in fictionland who may or may not exist... If the day comes I claim to have a faster 335D than Carl, it will be because I can prove it - and not because I read about some guy who did it and then sold his car to me... for example. Matt |
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Thanks for the support Matt, Thing is Baris M3 is a modded one and is deffo alot faster than stock, im as quick as him for example. therefore i muller stock E46 M3's which i have done time and time again. For Baris to post this crazily ace time for a supposed stock one, is silly i feel as we both know the car simply cannot do it.
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04-16-2009, 09:06 AM | #78 | |
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But I do know I had a manual E46 M3 and I do know I own an E90 335D - I know there is not much in it and I strongly expect the 335D to be a fair bit quicker once remapped and the LSD fitted. Matt |
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04-16-2009, 09:25 AM | #79 | |
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Wasn't my intention to 'take the p*ss', If that's what people thought.. |
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And as others have pointed out the actual speed of a gear change comparing manual to automatic is pretty similar (physically triggered by software or a paddle). So the 2 seconds/0.5 second point is not valid, or at best grossly exaggerated. So I am determing the actual change of velocity (or change in acceleration if we are more accuratley looking at 2nd derivatives) as basically a fixed value for manual or automatic gear changes (same thing as saying the same time for a change). It is the rolling speed = revs due to the gear you are in, that determine things. So if you change up slightly earlier (lower speed) your delta rev may well be smaller, but will still drop to that defined by the next gear combined with the speed you are doing. If that is a slower speed then revs will be lower. What I have said above does not counter what you say. Just that the mph at which you change is more relevant than any slight, barely perceivable difference in time to change between a manual or automatic gearchange. That is what I said in my previous statement. Quote:
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04-16-2009, 10:21 AM | #82 |
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Carlos, I checked my time sheet yesterday, I only got a 2.0219, not a 1.9
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It you haven't tried it, don't knock it! I admit, I thought getting a good run in an Auto was just hitting the 'Go' pedal when the light turned green was all that was required, but reality is far different. OK SP is no race track with no bends etc and the perception is that no skill is required, but try it, and it's surprising how getting it so wrong can be so easy! Good on you Carl, enthusiasm is something to be encouraged, not shot down in flames. Hopefully now that Tony and Jules have added some gravitas to the thread it will stay on drag, it's just a shame that Carl is not afforded the same respect as others.
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04-16-2009, 10:31 AM | #84 | |
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I would say there must be some skill in it because I cant do it hence why I asked earlier... seriously, I tried a lot of variations on TCS/DSC and Gearbox modes but I always bogged down, or couldnt spin up to launch with any kind of conviction. I will try Carlos' left foot braking technique and see how it goes. One could argue that the bitching in this thread has been counterproductive, because the what to expect question was looked over in favour of Carl defending himself - if I was a noob, I would be quite annoyed but seeing as I saw the bullshit coming a mile off I guess I knew nothing I asked in faith could be taken seriously by anyone else, and Carl has probably missed it due to all the other shite. Matt |
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04-16-2009, 10:33 AM | #85 | |
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.... but i can't, as i didn't!
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04-16-2009, 10:52 AM | #86 | |
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What you should try is this - press the DTC button once to turn on DTC (and turn off DSC), gearbox into M1 (manual 1st gear), left foot hard on the brake pedal, right foot on the gas revving to about 1500rpm - hold the revs steady, then release your left foot and mash your right to the carpet!
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Anyway, never mind. I guess we are keeping it roughly on topic and friendly!
Thanks for answering tony - that sounds like the thing i have been missing. Odd that i wouldn't ever have dreamed of doing that on my own! Does a limited slip diff change the way this works at all? Dont get me wrong, i understand what an lsd does and that it would usually only apply for cornering - and fast as well. But is there any difference in the way the car handles all that power at the back? Less fishtailing or whatever? Matt |
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