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09-25-2013, 09:40 AM | #1 |
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Engine blown - *pics inside* - discussion
Hi E90post community,
yet another thread of an engine blown. It lasted for 60.000 km. Tunes: FBO + meth + Rev. 3 agressive maps + RB turbos. It started after changing the oil which is a coincidence. The BOV started squirting oil vapors and after a short ride the left exhaust (individual exhaust pipes for each turbo - bank) started smoking blueish smoke. The very next day I took the car for a short ride. The exhaust was starting smoking much more, SES and limp mode, I returned home with 1 cyl misfiring. Compression test to all of the cylinders, 11:1 for all the cylinders, 0.1 for cylinder 2. Engine dissembled and here it is. Probably bad injector, stopped injecting fuel, temperature was risen and it finally melted. All of these because of a bad injector. I will not rebuild the engine as the sleeve is damaged, will buy a used engine. Discussion please
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09-25-2013, 09:55 AM | #4 |
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The sleeve damage makes me sad, was hoping you could "just" swap out the nuked piston. Man that crown and ring are just totally blown to pieces…Have you checked out the injector for that cylinder? I don't think I've come across this issue before, then again we don't see many outright blown N54s. This is pure 100% speculation on my part, but things could have gotten too hot due to a lack of meth and/or fuel in cylinder. Good luck finding a new motor, sorry for the loss man.
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09-25-2013, 09:56 AM | #5 |
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it sucks how such small parts that can fail quite easily effect the motor in such a drastic way. Isn't there a way to monitor this, like would an AFR gauge be able to save you and know that the injector wasting opening?
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09-25-2013, 10:14 AM | #6 |
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The DME monitors so many things to prevent failure. You would think that if a failed injector could cause so much damage they would have came up with a way to monitor them in case of failure.
Sorry for your loss
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09-25-2013, 10:19 AM | #7 |
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They DME can and will detect a failed/failing injector, which is why I'm curious if canclear was on or if any codes were thrown. I can't imagine a car with a melted/cracked piston wouldn't throw a code or two.
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09-25-2013, 10:24 AM | #8 |
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Perhaps sudden loss of meth flow, or sudden loss of sufficient flow to that particular cylinder is probably more accurate….Though Cyl 2 usually gets sprayed pretty well, it isn't the one that tends to get meth starved on CP located setups. If an injector suddenly gave up the ghost, the DME would shut that cylinder down ASAP. Like others have said, it's hard to believe such a catasrophic failure only resulted in a misfire. Would think you'd have tons of codes, and the car would be completely undriveable.
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09-25-2013, 10:57 AM | #10 |
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I was under a similar impression, there is no way a cylinder(injector) stopped working and the DME didn’t throw lean condition in bank 1 code, unless the tune/piggyback was on auto clear…doesn’t make sense
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Sorry for my bad English, I'm so frustrated that even my comprehension has gone bad.
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Just for info, there are cast iron (and maybe coated) sleeves for all cylinders. Machining the sleeve and ordering custom pistons is a solution but the cost probably will exceed a used motor to have my car back to the road. One option is to remove the sleeve, order a new one from Darton or another company, put the sleeve back, machine and hone it, put new OEM pistons (yes they are forged) and re-assemble the engine. That will lead to an engine that can be easily damaged in the future. In this scenario I forget boost over 15 psi and meth and I'll be driving a car prominent to damage. A low mileage used engine will be a more secure option Quote:
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09-25-2013, 10:58 AM | #12 |
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Can-clear was off all the time. This is weird
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09-25-2013, 11:12 AM | #13 |
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man shit like this makes you question whether it is worth paying 50k for a car that comes with problems that can cause this, their(bmw) shitty injectors and fuel pumps on n54 engines are something they should be responsible for thru ought the life of the engine because it was a defect from the manufacturer
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09-25-2013, 11:12 AM | #14 |
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Sorry to hear OP, at this point it does make much more sense to just grab a used n54 and call it a day. If you are doing the replacement yourself it shouldn't be too painful. Also pistons are not forged as once thought but cast hypereutectic. Here is an engine that might work : http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E71-X6-X...01bfd6&vxp=mtr.
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Are you sure the failure is caused by a faulty injector?
There was another thread with a engine fire and that have been caused by a faulty injector. I can't imagine why a faulty injector would cause a fire in one situation, and an internal failure in another. |
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09-25-2013, 12:32 PM | #18 |
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Sucks it broke but at those power levels it's somewhat inevitable. I wonder if a single turbo setup would actually be more reliable than RB turbos despite making 100-200hp more due to the reduced exhaust back pressure?
On the damage it looks like typical N54 knock damage to me. Perhaps it was tuned a bit too aggressively or you just got unlucky on meth flow or fuel octane for a moment. It only takes a moment to blow up. Mike |
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1. One would hope the failsafe could anticipate and react quickly enough. OP what meth system were you running? 2. Were meth to stop spraying and the failsafe didn’t work, why would just cyl 2 get too hot? Would think all the cylinders would starve. Cyl 2 usually gets pretty decent meth flow too. Odd stuff. Right as I’m about to jump to RBs and meth, I see this thread and get cold feet. Lame.
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