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17" Winter tyres - yes again, sorry!
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11-04-2011, 09:48 AM | #1 |
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17" Winter tyres - yes again, sorry!
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Been offered Sunny winters by both my local tyre dealers. 225/45x17 I've looked at them on the web and they seem agricultural, anyone any experience with them? Also been quoted on Hankook IceBear for £105 each fitted, would they be better? Thanks |
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11-04-2011, 10:09 AM | #2 |
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Personally I would not fit a budget winter or summer tyre. A budget winter will be much better than any summer in snow/ice but the rest of the time it is likely to be a liability, whereas a premium winter will have good grip in all conditions.
I know people that have used the Hankooks and thought they were OK - certainly a better bet than a lingaling ditchfinder special and around half the price of a premium winter. I wonder what the wear is like? A friend of mine ran Pirelli Sottozeros last winter and I did a similar mileage on Nokian WRG2's. I had no measurable wear on the fronts and 1.5mm on the rears, despite keeping them on well into a warm March. He lost 2-3+mm all round, well over half the useful tread depth (assuming changing winters at 4mm). If the better winters last longer and work well in all conditions then they are worth the extra IMHO... PS - am not suggestig Sottozeroes are bad, they review well and seem good in non-snow conditions which is vital for a winter tyre here. But they do wear! Last edited by ALF_E90; 11-04-2011 at 10:55 AM.. |
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11-04-2011, 02:14 PM | #4 |
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Don't buy Sunny tyres.
That should really be the end of it - but if you need an explanation as to why: Why would you go from premium summer tyres to well and truly "budget" (read: shite) winter tyres, just because they say the word "Winter" on the side? It's crazy. 99% of the time your summer tyres (assuming you haven't gone "budget" with them too) will run rings around some crappy Chinese tyres that you've never heard of. Seriously, why do people get caught up in, what can only be described as "hype", now? All i've heard for the last couple of months from absolutely everywhere is that everyone needs "Winter tyres". It's ridiculous. People have convinced themselves that they NEED these mystical "winter tyres" because some tyre company sponsored tyre test or the man at Kwik Fit, who was trying to flog you a set, told you so. "Winter Tyres" is just a marketing campaign - and a bloody good one at that, since it's probably made tyre companies/car companies/tyre fitters an absolute mint. |
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11-05-2011, 07:10 PM | #5 |
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Subzero fancy showing me how to get my car going in the winter with premium summer tyres or taking a video clip of your car getting up an incline with no weight in the boot or any other adjustments, snow socks/chains? Not saying that I don't believe you but as everyone on this forum knows I couldn't move my car last year and when i set off in the dry as soon as it snowed the car was useless, now I know I need to improve my ability to drive in snow however universally the advice given to me is to get winter tyres.
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11-06-2011, 02:37 AM | #6 |
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I really do not see why some people are so against winter tyres. Their abilities are proven and for some who need to drive they are very useful. Others cannot afford them or cannot justify the expense or can leave the car parked in bad weather.
That said I would not buy budget winters. I have bought a 2003 Fiesta to help through the winter and have ordered winter tyres for it as my wife and kids will be in it mostly and I want to give them the best chance. Lots of budget brands but I spent £10 more per tyre and got Dunlops. |
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11-06-2011, 02:54 AM | #7 | |
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11-06-2011, 04:25 AM | #8 |
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Totally agree Chris. I used them last year on my 335 and they were great. That is why I am getting them for the fiesta and at £250 for a set of Dunlops it has to be worth a punt.
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11-06-2011, 04:51 AM | #9 | |
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11-07-2011, 11:36 AM | #10 | |
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11-07-2011, 11:43 AM | #11 | |
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11-08-2011, 03:32 PM | #12 |
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Last year I fitted a set of brand spanking new Toyo Proxes on the rear of my 325d Touring - stuck a load of heavy stuff in the boot - dropped the tyre pressures by about 25% and guess what - managed to negotiate the climb from my driveway to the top of my estate every morning - bear in mind Guisborough ,North Yorks appeared on Sky news last winter as one of the worst hit places in the North, I was pretty pleased with that. 17x 225's are a better bet than the 18 255's rears currently on the car. I need a pair of winters for the old 17 in wheels and will probably fit Hankook Ice bears. Iam realistic and don't expect it to go anyway in snow on my 18 inch ellipsoids with summer tyres - looking at them it not surprising but you can use a BM all year round if you just drive as the conditions dictate, stick a set of narrower wheels with suitable rubber and get more rear traction by putting a little more weight over the driving wheels, and you understand that revving the shit out of the car really doesn't help. It also helps if yours is a manual - the most satisfying moment was overtaking a stricken cock in his A4 ascending a snowbound 1 in 6 hill in my useless BMW. Ha Ha bring on the snow
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11-08-2011, 03:59 PM | #13 | |
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You've also missed the bit about German law stating that during winter conditions its a legal requirement to have Winter tyres fitted, and this also applies to Finland, Austria, parts of italy, Latvia, Slovenia....... |
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11-08-2011, 04:48 PM | #14 |
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Goodness me, I only asked for advice, didn't think I'd start a war....
Well, my wheels have been stripped and are ready for painting then they will get some winter tyres and I'll hopefully be able to get my car out of the yard this winter. It didn't move last year for two weeks and as has been pointed out above, it'll save wear on my Bridgestone RE050s for a few months and stave off the need to replace them as they are wearing quite badly on the inner edge. Thx for all the constructive advice |
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11-09-2011, 03:12 AM | #15 |
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3306250132...84.m1436.l2649
Seems reasonable to me, they look like a michelin retread though.. |
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11-09-2011, 03:44 AM | #16 | |
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What they have also shows is, as expected, winter tyres are far, far superior if there is snow on the road. They have also shown winter tyres are far superior if the road is iced over, but the friction coefficient for ice is still so low that even on winter tyres it can take you 12 metres to stop from jogging pace. German law also does not require winter tyres. It requires tyres suitable for the conditions. This means winter tyres if there is snow or ice on the road. Vehicles with summer tyres are not permitted to drive on roads with snow or ice. Vehicles with summer tyres may still be driven on wet or dry roads in winter. |
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11-09-2011, 04:07 AM | #17 | ||
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The law stipulates winter tyres because a motorist got off a fine becuase the the wording of "apropriate tyres" wasn't exact enough under the old ruling, and since you can't predict the ice, the von O bis O rule applies, which requires an M+S Reifen rated tyres. |
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Also, you seem to think that you need to be some kind of driving god to drive a BMW in the snow? Perhaps you should brush up on your skills. There was only ONE time in my 6-7 years of driving where i've ever thought snow tyres would of benefit and that was when i was caught in the heaviest snow i've ever seen. And 2 days later the roads were clear again. I half think that anyone who buys winter tyres does it just so that they can tell anyone who will listen that they have winter tyres. Hint: nobody cares. Quote:
Hell, if you look above you'll see that the tyre test i posted showed that summer tyres were the best in situations bar snow. And the other thread when someone posted the Autocar tyre test, the best winter tyres took an extra 7 METERS to stop in the wet, over strictly MID RANGE summer tyres. And what makes up most of our winter? Yes, that's correct, rain. Quote:
BTW everyone in Australia, South African and California uses summer tyres - THAT OBVIOUSLY SHOWS THAT SUMMER TYRES ARE THE BEST!!!111 Quote:
But what the winter tyre fanboys can't seem to fathom is that buying an £800 set of alloys and tyres for those few days a year is ridiculous. Ultra high performance summer tyres still perform better in every situation bar snow. And for those few days that there is snow on the ground either A) Don't drive. or B) Take a taxi and not risking damaging the car. It remind me of last winter when it snowed, before the "winter tyre" hysteria, when everyone rushed out to buy a 4x4 or insisted that their next car was going to definitely be a 4x4 so that could get around when the roads were snowy. You know, for those 4 days a year... |
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11-09-2011, 08:12 AM | #19 |
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Sub Zero you really are making an a**e of yourself.
Your post contradicts itself as you talk of only ever once needing winter tyres but then also say you don't drive or take a taxi ...... so which is it? Some may not have the luxury of deciding to just not drive on a snowy day as we need to get to work and others may live too rural for a taxi to be practical. Can't you just accept others can afford the outlay and feel its worthwhile, you clearly do not fit into either of these groups and have tried but failed to make your point. Leave others now to discuss what the OP has asked. ps. Hopefully you don't get stuck in your summer tyres and block the roads for the rest of us who have prepared for the conditions as much as possible. |
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11-09-2011, 08:37 AM | #20 | ||||
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Thanks for the insult. You're obviously not bright enough to respond to my points properly, so just turned to insults. Why did you bother replying again?
At least i back up my opinions with fact and actually question things unlike half the sheep who buy winter tyres because some random guy on a forum said that they are the best thing ever. Quote:
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I haven't failed to make a point actually. In my previous post i made many many points which i'd like to invite people to discuss. No thanks - i think i'll continue discussing winter tyres in a thread about....winter tyres. Quote:
I won't be driving in the 3 days of snow we will get, but i'm guessing you'll be driving in the 100 days of wet roads we'll get. Question: Why are you paying so much just so you can get around in 3-4 days of snow? |
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11-09-2011, 08:46 AM | #21 | |
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Also, i was disappointed that none of the "OMG YOU NEED WINTER TYRES" brigade in the other thread address my in depth post. Perhaps in this thread people will address the results shown?
Please bare in mind that the "Continental PremiumContact 2" a two generation old midrange tyre. Quote:
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11-09-2011, 08:57 AM | #22 | |
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Just done a bit more browsing around the internet and found another test:
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Comments? Last edited by Subzero2003; 11-09-2011 at 09:08 AM.. |
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