[R3dnax]

Hi all, just jumped ship from Giac to Cobb.. because i wanted to move on to the E30 maps or a protune.

just loaded in the stage 2 aggr. v402 map and tried to do my first logg.

would anyone be able to take alook at these and see if everything looks good before i move over to the E30 maps.. Thanks in advance for all replies.

[shaginwagon13]

Bought a COBB yesterday and I was wondering how do I find out which ECU I have so I can find the appropriate maps?

2008 BMW 335i Coupe

http://www.cobbtuning.com/BMW-Access...w/BMW-OTS-Maps

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by Z3->WRX->335

Is it possible to do a custom stage 1 e85 tune? I guess I should clarify...by "possible" I mean "a good idea". I'd rather not do catless downpipes on my car. I do plan on upgrading the FMIC though.

If you can do ATR go for it, that is out of my comfort zone.

Or you can do a Pro-Tune or E-Tune. there are great gains when running ethanol, I am sure a lot of us can confirm that.

Good luck!

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by shaginwagon13

Bought a COBB yesterday and I was wondering how do I find out which ECU I have so I can find the appropriate maps?

2008 BMW 335i Coupe

http://www.cobbtuning.com/BMW-Access...w/BMW-OTS-Maps

this should help.. you need to plug er' in bro...

http://www.cobbtuning.com/BMW-Access...s-installation

[shaginwagon13]

Originally Posted by VNeBLOB42

this should help.. you need to plug er' in bro...

http://www.cobbtuning.com/BMW-Access...s-installation

Thanks buddy.... sorry for the stupid question I have never done this before and I just don't want to screw up the ECU or something and load a wrong map and have my car not work.

In the video step #6 is 'Power Cycle the car and the AP Install Process is Complete'...... does that just mean I press the start once without my foot on the clutch and then once again right after with my foot on the clutch to turn the car on?

Thanks for the help.

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by R3dnax

Hi all, just jumped ship from Giac to Cobb.. because i wanted to move on to the E30 maps or a protune.

just loaded in the stage 2 aggr. v402 map and tried to do my first logg.

would anyone be able to take alook at these and see if everything looks good before i move over to the E30 maps.. Thanks in advance for all replies.

I almost choked for a second.

I am only familiar with US Standard, I can't read Metric.. I am sure someone could help.

Also, most of us like the default logs data fields. You may want to reset you data logs and add two more to your liking. I can't tell when you go WOT.

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by shaginwagon13

Thanks buddy.... sorry for the stupid question I have never done this before and I just don't want to screw up the ECU or something and load a wrong map and have my car not work.

In the video step #6 is 'Power Cycle the car and the AP Install Process is Complete'...... does that just mean I press the start once without my foot on the clutch and then once again right after with my foot on the clutch to turn the car on?

Thanks for the help.

no worries, most of us had the same questions when we started. feel free to ask anything, but just do some searching first, Google usually works best because it will typically bring you back to e90post.com

oh didn't read the whole thing,

i believe it says no clutch or brake pedal. When Key is in, and the OBDII and COBB is plugged in, just hit the start button ONCE. when complete you hit OK on the COBB, and then take the key out, then start the car as normal.

[Carl Morris]

Originally Posted by enrita

sure get ATR , change scalar and up timings.

They've made that really easy...just get the E30 race map to start.

[Wedge1967]

Yeah, unfortunately we're at the mercy of the supplier when it comes to percentages. Consistency is important as well as logging after filling up to make sure things still look good. It takes about a mile before I start seeing changes with the % after filling up.

I completely understood where you were coming from, but some people take everything as gospel. I just wanted to clarify e85 being 85% ethanol was more a rule of thumb and can very widely depending on the vendor. It's always advisable to fill at the same station if possible, but you should still log after fueling, unless you have a sensor. Even with a sensor I feel better pulling a few logs as things change around here quickly. Today when I dropped my daughter off it wasn't even 60 yet. Mid afternoon and it's only in the mid 60's now. Time to hit the track...

It would be nice if one of the vendors put together a fuel sensor kit with a gauge. I have the FFTEC/Vishnu Flex kit that connects to the PROcede, but that doesn't mean other tunes can't take advantage of the flex sensor. The fuel lines are using spring locks and it's easy to install the inline sensor. Just need to run the wires and setup a digital gage to read the voltage output. I know most people will want a new sensor, but you can find them on ebay for @ $125. Just want to make sure you get the spring lock connections.

Unfortunately Shell hasn't stepped up to the plate here in Portland OR with flex fuels. As green as this city tries to portray, we only have two private old time service stations that offer e85. More than likely they are getting e85 from the same vendor. So it's a 20 mile round trip to fill up... But the trip is worth it....

BTW, I'll be at Shift S3ctor the 10th and 11th. Any chance you'll be going? The more BMW's we have show up the better.

Originally Posted by VNeBLOB42

yes of course, its all based upon assumptions, especially because I don't have a sensor. They best I can do is make accurate assumptions as I can. My tune was based upon E50, even then it was started out too aggressive. Whether its E40, E50 or E45. Don't really know.

with a pro-tune, what matters is consistency, the tuner obviously tunes the car based upon the data and results, so E50, E48 can vary. So as long as I can do the best to make it consistent, and check data logs from time to time I should be fine. Once again i don't have the flex sensor to make adjustments.

But my comment was just being technical, E50 is not 50% E85 pump.

Just curious, which brand of E85 do you use? That is interesting that you are getting that much of inconsistency. thanks for sharing.

I use Propel Fuel @ Shell and they have some in the Cali Sac valley, Bay Area, So Cal and Washington. Its a high profile brand and I spoke with them before. They appear to be very consistent with the blends and they do not reduce the ethanol content during the winter months, so they say. But once again, its all based upon assumptions, E85, E80 and so on.

[enrita]

Originally Posted by R3dnax

Hi all, just jumped ship from Giac to Cobb.. because i wanted to move on to the E30 maps or a protune.

just loaded in the stage 2 aggr. v402 map and tried to do my first logg.

would anyone be able to take alook at these and see if everything looks good before i move over to the E30 maps.. Thanks in advance for all replies.

All EU people using metrics should just use the std data log setup for help or advices . Thats what everybody uses here and is comfortable to look at.

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Yeah, unfortunately we're at the mercy of the supplier when it comes to percentages. Consistency is important as well as logging after filling up to make sure things still look good. It takes about a mile before I start seeing changes with the % after filling up.

So far my logs have been A OK. But you are right, I should make an effort to log after each fill up, especially reading what you are experiencing.

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

I completely understood where you were coming from, but some people take everything as gospel. I just wanted to clarify e85 being 85% ethanol was more a rule of thumb and can very widely depending on the vendor. It's always advisable to fill at the same station if possible, but you should still log after fueling, unless you have a sensor. Even with a sensor I feel better pulling a few logs as things change around here quickly. Today when I dropped my daughter off it wasn't even 60 yet. Mid afternoon and it's only in the mid 60's now. Time to hit the track...

agreed.

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

It would be nice if one of the vendors put together a fuel sensor kit with a gauge. I have the FFTEC/Vishnu Flex kit that connects to the PROcede, but that doesn't mean other tunes can't take advantage of the flex sensor. The fuel lines are using spring locks and it's easy to install the inline sensor. Just need to run the wires and setup a digital gage to read the voltage output. I know most people will want a new sensor, but you can find them on ebay for @ $125. Just want to make sure you get the spring lock connections.

I was thinking about looking into one. I may just wait till next spring, winter will be here soon and then comes the wet roads. I may just go back to OTS Stage 1 MAPs and not hassle with the Ethanol. But here comes the cooler air also..

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Unfortunately Shell hasn't stepped up to the plate here in Portland OR with flex fuels. As green as this city tries to portray, we only have two private old time service stations that offer e85. More than likely they are getting e85 from the same vendor. So it's a 20 mile round trip to fill up... But the trip is worth it....

Propel Fuels is a private company, so they are not affiliated with Shell, but they must work something out becuase the majority of the E85 pumps are at Shell Gas Stations. No doubt about the same vendor, Propel told me they don't even mix their own gas, go figure. But ensured me their mix is consistent, yeah sure..

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

BTW, I'll be at Shift S3ctor the 10th and 11th. Any chance you'll be going? The more BMW's we have show up the better.

I will be in Tacoma Washington for business on those days, can't make it. thanks for the heads up.

[Z3->WRX->335]

Originally Posted by enrita

sure get ATR , change scalar and up timings.

Thanks!

[Z3->WRX->335]

Originally Posted by VNeBLOB42

If you can do ATR go for it, that is out of my comfort zone.

Or you can do a Pro-Tune or E-Tune. there are great gains when running ethanol, I am sure a lot of us can confirm that.

Good luck!

Out of my comfort zone too. I'll have a pro-tune or e-tune done, jut wanted to know if there would be gains to be had and any adverse effects.

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by Z3->WRX->335

Out of my comfort zone too. I'll have a pro-tune or e-tune done, jut wanted to know if there would be gains to be had and any adverse effects.

Yes, there can be, that's why its a good investment to choose a Pro Turner that is recommended by COBB.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/Domestic-P...rs-s/70754.htm


Here is my recent thread, there are great gains when blending higher ethanol with a pro tune.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=746740

[Z3->WRX->335]

Originally Posted by VNeBLOB42

Yes, there can be, that's why its a good investment to choose a Pro Turner that is recommended by COBB.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/Domestic-P...rs-s/70754.htm


Here is my recent thread, there are great gains when blending higher ethanol with a pro tune.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=746740

I'm definitley going to a Cobb recomended pro tuner. Your recent thread was exactly what I was looking for. I had very similar mods but didn't get the walnut blasting done yet. Definitey exciting news as I'm looking to avoid the catless dp route for now. Thanks!

[enrita]

Originally Posted by Z3->WRX->335

I'm definitley going to a Cobb recomended pro tuner. Your recent thread was exactly what I was looking for. I had very similar mods but didn't get the walnut blasting done yet. Definitey exciting news as I'm looking to avoid the catless dp route for now. Thanks!

yeah if you dont want mess with it yourself just get protuned or etuned (with PTF for example.)

[EJ_3]

Can someone make a sticky or chart for how to log, what everything stand for or mean, and what exactly you should be looking for? This would be great for noobs to logging like myself.

[enrita]

Originally Posted by Manny_World

Can someone make a sticky or chart for how to log, what everything stand for or mean, and what exactly you should be looking for? This would be great for noobs to logging like myself.

did you read the ATR guide?
also check this http://blog.protuningfreaks.com/2012...s-actual-load/

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by Manny_World

Can someone make a sticky or chart for how to log, what everything stand for or mean, and what exactly you should be looking for? This would be great for noobs to logging like myself.

there is, rader1 just updated it before he got banned. there is a more current one somewhere else, but I can't post cause I am already partially banned. LOL

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=696472

[EJ_3]

Originally Posted by VNeBLOB42

there is, rader1 just updated it before he got banned. there is a more current one somewhere else, but I can't post cause I am already partially banned. LOL

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=696472

Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for.

[I3ossman]

Originally Posted by Fully_Bolted

No, expect 430 at the most. No offense to I3ossman, but his tuner is pumping out some outrageous numbers. I suspect that his dyno reads about 20whp more than a typical dynojet, which already read high as-is.

Originally Posted by Ænema

+1

It's not necessarily what numbers you make but what the gains are and how the car feels. Just my personal opinion but you shouldn't shooting for the moon on a stock car + e85. There is a reason bolt-ons are known as "supporting mods."

Originally Posted by enrita

+ 100, you need to be realistic...

It's a dynapack, the one that bolts directly to the hubs. They're actually extremely accurate dynos. The guy that tuned my car is just that good, it's not his dyno trust me. If any of you would like to speak to him and get an idea of his experience and knowledge with these cars(actually all cars) PM me and ill get you contact info. His 93 map got 425whp and 475 tq out of a FBO 135, no meth.

As far as how it feels, it's a monster and drives perfectly.. and ran a 9.3 60-130 with both of us and his comp in the car, after being on the dyno all day, and starting exactly from 60mph rather than the proper method from 40mph. There was too much traffic behind me to slow down enough 8.8-8.9s with just me and starting from 40. Its real guys

I'm not sure what we're arguing about here but I agree, supporting mods are 100% important and required. I was just making a point that e85/protune is by far the best bang for the buck mod you can do for these cars 100% without a doubt. These platforms are extremely potent and can produce amazing power with just e85, DCI, and protune. Would I recommend doing just a protune and no supporting mods and driving a bone stock car into the ground every day, NO. I still have to put the FMIC, charge pipe/bov and get a dual oil cooler kit on my car to get anywhere near its true potential, then we will put it back on the dyno and adjust accordingly.

[VNeBLOB42]

^^
From what I understand Dynapack's read slightly lower than DynoJets. Coming from a reputable member on here.

I just reached 415 on a DynoJet (S1+ E50) (CF STD), and feel that can even improve, granted the run itself didn't reach WOT till 4800, timing and boost didn't max out. And of course I didn't have PTF push the limits. I say there were another 10 -15 ponies I could have shown with my current set up.

So is it possible to read 430 with a Tune E50 335i with just DCI on a DynoJet? If you had the proper cooling (radiator and IC) during the Dyno and use Standard Correction Factor, perhaps. But I wouldn't consider it to be highly accurate. Between my Dyno Dynamics (CF SAE) and DynoJet (CF STD) I had nearly 50 whp difference. Same mods similar climate different Dyno's.