[Eric335]

Hey, feel bad starting a thread for this but i cant find clear answers. Im ordering the Alpine HID Angel Eyes most likely, and wanted to find the correct temp.

Im looking for this temperature:



If thats not enough info, im trying to get it to be mostly white with traces of blue.

[Eric335]

Hmmm after further research it seems to be 7000k or 8000k...

Anyone have examples?

[edirtaynine]

5400k will be white with a tiny tiny bit of blue.

pictures of light color aren't too accurate. too many variables can affect the color shown in pictures. best way is to just see for yourself in person. depending on the angle of camera and the time of day and where i park the car, i can make my stock hid look like 8000k or 4300k bulbs.

[Water U. Doin]

isn't 6k pure white?

[Eric335]

Originally Posted by Water U. Doin

isn't 6k pure white?

This is what i found to be most helpful.

6k is pure white, apparently.

http://www.alpinemss.com/product_p/bu77.htm

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

To be honest it depends on the bulb manufacturer. The devices to actually read kevlin temperature are very expensive so most just throw out whatever numbers.

Our general rule of thumb when suggesting HID is as follows.

4300K OEM Pure White

5000-6000K White with a hint of blue

8000K Stronger hint of blue then 6000K

After that you get into the purple stuff....

The above is for high performance bulbs.com HID.


As another member mentioned pictures dont reflect accurate light color in real life. I can show you pictures of pure white HID in real life and the pictures depict a hint of blue. White balances has the most effect on colors of lights in pics.

[mashimarho]

5000K is the most OEM you can get. 6000K looks crystal white; looks aftermarket clean.
Our HIDs are 4300K. A bit yellowish.

[rollinstone157]

Originally Posted by mashimarho

5000K is the most OEM you can get. 6000K looks crystal white; looks aftermarket clean.
Our HIDs are 4300K. A bit yellowish.

Correct--8K will be far too blue for your tastes. 5K--paper white or 6K--icy white will be just right for this application.

But I'd avoid Alpine, he's having some serious issues right now, and it cost far too much for what you are getting. Just get the HighPerformanceBulbs.com kit (because you know they're built well) with the slim ballasts, use the factory connections, and code out dimming as well as bulb check, and you'll be good to go.

[Eric335]

Originally Posted by rollinstone157

Correct--8K will be far too blue for your tastes. 5K--paper white or 6K--icy white will be just right for this application.

But I'd avoid Alpine, he's having some serious issues right now, and it cost far too much for what you are getting. Just get the HighPerformanceBulbs.com kit (because you know they're built well) with the slim ballasts, use the factory connections, and code out dimming as well as bulb check, and you'll be good to go.

Do i need coding for all the kits? Alpines? And what kind of issues? What do i need to code it out? A computer software? Cords?

Feel free to PM me more info, im not familiar with HID kits...

[rollinstone157]

Originally Posted by Eric335

Do i need coding for all the kits? Alpines? And what kind of issues? What do i need to code it out? A computer software? Cords?

Feel free to PM me more info, im not familiar with HID kits...

Alpine uses relays and resistors to get around the need for coding HID angel eyes. The reason why you need to code, even if you have a canbus kit (WITHOUT relays), is because of a voltage drop that occurs when the headlights are on. Put your headlight switch in the parking lights mode, and then in the headlight on mode. Notice how the AE's dim? That's b/c the carputer drops the voltage to those bulbs.

The coding would be done with computer software and a special OBDII cable. You can try to find someone local to you to do it for you, or you can order it yourself and code a bunch of other goodies too. Poke around the Coding forum for a few minutes to get a better idea of the work that's involved/things you can do.

[Rotary Rasp]

Check this thread. The last page has a picture of 5k and 6k side by side.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623634

[mookie45]

are there any heating issues with HID AE's?

[e90n52b30]

I would say 5000K is pure white. 6000K is white with a slight blue hue. Anything above 6500K is more blue than white. Anything below 4500K starts turning yellow.

[e90n52b30]

Originally Posted by rollinstone157

Alpine uses relays and resistors to get around the need for coding HID angel eyes. The reason why you need to code, even if you have a canbus kit (WITHOUT relays), is because of a voltage drop that occurs when the headlights are on. Put your headlight switch in the parking lights mode, and then in the headlight on mode. Notice how the AE's dim? That's b/c the carputer drops the voltage to those bulbs.

The coding would be done with computer software and a special OBDII cable. You can try to find someone local to you to do it for you, or you can order it yourself and code a bunch of other goodies too. Poke around the Coding forum for a few minutes to get a better idea of the work that's involved/things you can do.

Even when the angel eyes are run as DRLs, they are below 12v.

In my E90, they are dropped to 11.7v with a PWM signal.

This is why people have problems running HID kits in these cars (when they are run directly off the existing angel eye wiring and not through a relay grabbing power from a constant unmanipulated 12v feed).

Fogs are the same way...

[Eric335]

Originally Posted by e90n52b30

Even when the angel eyes are run as DRLs, they are below 12v.

In my E90, they are dropped to 11.7v with a PWM signal.

This is why people have problems running HID kits in these cars (when they are run directly off the existing angel eye wiring and not through a relay grabbing power from a constant unmanipulated 12v feed).

Fogs are the same way...

Thanks! This is why you need coding or to install a kit with relays like the Alpines?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by mookie45

are there any heating issues with HID AE's?

They actually run cooler then their halogen counterparts.

[E3r2E9r]

Idk if I trust the alpine HID kit anymore. My buddies failed after a short while and there is plenty of criticism about them. As rollingstone said you may just want to get a high quality kit from high performance bulbs and just get it coded.

[Eric335]

Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

Idk if I trust the alpine HID kit anymore. My buddies failed after a short while and there is plenty of criticism about them. As rollingstone said you may just want to get a high quality kit from high performance bulbs and just get it coded.

What failed?

Can u elaborate on the criticism?

[E3r2E9r]

Originally Posted by Eric335

What failed?

Can u elaborate on the criticism?

It sounds like you have done no research...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ne+hid+problem

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ne+hid+problem

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ne+hid+problem

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=alpine+hid

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=alpine+hid

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=alpine+hid

Aside from their horrible customer service many aspects of the kits fail. It appears to be the hardware is simply low quality as the bulbs have failed, ballast have failed and so has the wiring harnesses. From the many poor reviews it sounds like getting replacements is even that much harder.

I find it funny that this vendor only functions if you text him, what sort of business practice is that?

[Eric335]

Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

It sounds like you have done no research...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ne+hid+problem

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ne+hid+problem

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ne+hid+problem

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=alpine+hid

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=alpine+hid

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=alpine+hid

Aside from their horrible customer service many aspects of the kits fail. It appears to be the hardware is simply low quality as the bulbs have failed, ballast have failed and so has the wiring harnesses. From the many poor reviews it sounds like getting replacements is even that much harder.

Ill take a look at these.

Ive been trying to do research but ive found a lot of positive feedback.... and now these

[Rotary Rasp]

Originally Posted by e90n52b30

Even when the angel eyes are run as DRLs, they are below 12v.

In my E90, they are dropped to 11.7v with a PWM signal.

This is why people have problems running HID kits in these cars (when they are run directly off the existing angel eye wiring and not through a relay grabbing power from a constant unmanipulated 12v feed).

Fogs are the same way...

All that can be solved by coding.

You can run HID angel eyes directly off the existing wiring.

[e90n52b30]

Originally Posted by Eric335

Thanks! This is why you need coding or to install a kit with relays like the Alpines?

Yes. The pwm signal turns the ballast on and off rapidly. This will kill ballast over time.

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

All that can be solved by coding.

You can run HID angel eyes directly off the existing wiring.

I'm aware. I posted in your thread numerous times. Starts with f, hint hint.

But not everyone has access to a coder/ability to code. Vendors should not be selling kits THEY KNOW will fail. It's very simple. They just choose to keep tellin people their kits are error free. It's all to push sales.....