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      05-12-2010, 12:35 PM   #45
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Save the money. Regardless of what your making now you income will go up/down over time. It's really nice to be flush with cash during the down times. I'd just get a M3 before I'd spend dinan 10 point money. When I see a Dinan car... I think... that guy shoulda just purchased a better car in the first place.
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BMW WILL deny any claim related to your powertrain if you have the Dinan flash. "Might" is giving anyone interest false hope.

In that case Dinan is responsible for the warranty claim which they are supposed to pay for once they battle it out with BMW. In the end nobody is going to want to pay for warranty work and the end user is going to be left out in the cold.
BMW has replaced plenty of HPFPs on Dinan-flashed cars without denying the claims. "BMW WILL deny any claim related to your powertrain" is just false.

Next you say Dinan will also refuse to pay. Maybe that has happened, but if it has it is rare.
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I'd just get a M3 before I'd spend dinan 10 point money. When I see a Dinan car... I think... that guy shoulda just purchased a better car in the first place.
I think the same thing.
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Here's my perspective - I wouldn't put a piggyback on my car *if you paid me*. Seriously, compare the number of 'issue' threads with the piggybacks over the last 3 years vs. the Dinan tunes and get back to me.

Not to mention the little game of Russian roulette you have to play when you get your take your piggified N54 in for service, or God forbid, try to trade it in. Not having any sort of a warranty does wonders for resale.
+1000

Add to that: you only have to be concerned about being "beat" by a piggybacked car if you're dumb enough to be a street racer. Or care.
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Add to that: you only have to be concerned about being "beat" by a piggybacked car if you're dumb enough to be a street racer. Or care.

Reference was to track performance. The "gearhead" mod..tuner..crowd want the extra power. That is important to some...not to others.

I fall in the category that wants to make as much power as possible. Not to brag or anything related. I simply like to measure performance ...go back to the drawing board...make more.
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ouch two bad decisions... at the very least don't get the badge. like someone else said: a dinan badge is just telling other 335's that you're an easy target
Funny you say that...

First thing I think of when I see a Dinan badge is "you paid too much" (to go slow).




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My dealer doesnt care about mods... so that whole getting piggy back tune is bothersome of the warranty crap doesnt hold water.

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#1. If your service advisor is cool, they won't even report the Dinan installation to BMW. In fact, they will avoid installing any Dinan parts while anyone is there who can cause the vehicle to become "flagged" in the system.

#2. A Dinan Stage 2 with nothing else is as fast as a JB3 1.4 on Map 5 with DCI... It's not so bad...
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Lol Pathetic huh


Threadstarter.. IDK what this emblem looks like but your crazy.

This is what I found on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DINAN...Q5fAccessories
Haha. $120. You can buy the individual letters from Bimmian for $2.80 each.

http://www.beastpower.com/p/bmw/bimm...om/BI-BE39-CBL
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#2. A Dinan Stage 2 with nothing else is as fast as a JB3 1.4 on Map 5 with DCI... It's not so bad...[/QUOTE]

I can vouch for that lol
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It seems like the Dinan tune varies wildly from person to person. Your Stage 2 hits 12.8, but Car and Driver just tested a Stage 3 and only got 13.0 in the quarter (June 2010 issue). Do you have any dyno numbers before and after?
I think you missed the point...there are those of us who just flat don't care about dyno numbers or quarter-mile/lap times. In my world, that sort of stuff is usually discussed between Mustang and Camaro owners. Maybe we should add another top category here for folks who like to drag race or "track" their cars; that way, we could avoid degenerating into these kinds of back-and-forth discussions.

If you have the money, the time, and the perseverance, you can extract unbelievable amounts of power from any engine. Remember the 80's Buick Regal Grand National with the turbo 3.8 pushrod V6? I've seen articles/videos about those cars pulling 700+hp at the rear wheels, street-legal and street-driven. I bet they look at us BMW guys and laugh about us paying way too much for such slow cars.
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BMW has replaced plenty of HPFPs on Dinan-flashed cars without denying the claims. "BMW WILL deny any claim related to your powertrain" is just false.

Next you say Dinan will also refuse to pay. Maybe that has happened, but if it has it is rare.
My HPFP was replaced, no questions asked with a Dinan Stg2 on my 07 E90. Dinan, you won't be disappointed...
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My HPFP was replaced, no questions asked with a Dinan Stg2 on my 07 E90. Dinan, you won't be disappointed...
Mine was replaced to...

On my car with Jb3. And I didnt even break $600 on mods.

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I think you missed the point...there are those of us who just flat don't care about dyno numbers or quarter-mile/lap times. In my world, that sort of stuff is usually discussed between Mustang and Camaro owners. Maybe we should add another top category here for folks who like to drag race or "track" their cars; that way, we could avoid degenerating into these kinds of back-and-forth discussions.

If you have the money, the time, and the perseverance, you can extract unbelievable amounts of power from any engine. Remember the 80's Buick Regal Grand National with the turbo 3.8 pushrod V6? I've seen articles/videos about those cars pulling 700+hp at the rear wheels, street-legal and street-driven. I bet they look at us BMW guys and laugh about us paying way too much for such slow cars.

That mind set is a whole new world to me then.

If you don't care about performance. Why get a tune? Better yet, why pay (overpay) $4000 for a tune?
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All this Dinan talk ticks me off.... I can't even find a dealer in a 50 mile radius who will even install it anymore. #1 dealer and my home base has officially stopped doing software or any bolt ons. That leaves the #2 dealer who only knows how to send the DME out to Dinan. Who wants to lock up your car for 4 days when you know it can be flashed locally at a competent dealer. Want this product so so bad and can't get it. DAMN
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That mind set is a whole new world to me then.

If you don't care about performance. Why get a tune? Better yet, why pay (overpay) $4000 for a tune?
I didn't pay $4000 for a tune - where do you get that figure? Dinan Stage 2 was less than $1700 (on sale until end of May). Take a few minutes to get the facts before you start going off on an uninformed tangent. And if you haven't been able to comprehend why I (or any of the rest us Dinan-tuned owners) went that route, you need to go back and re-read. It's about quality, not quantity.

Also, where do you get that I don't care about performance? I care about performance, but I'm not addicted to it to the point where I have to know if I'm 2/10ths of a second quicker or slower than Joe Piggyback or can lap the track a second or two faster or slower. I just like the increased performance, and I'm not out there trying to compete with everyone else. Does that clarify things for you?
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All this Dinan talk ticks me off.... I can't even find a dealer in a 50 mile radius who will even install it anymore. #1 dealer and my home base has officially stopped doing software or any bolt ons. That leaves the #2 dealer who only knows how to send the DME out to Dinan. Who wants to lock up your car for 4 days when you know it can be flashed locally at a competent dealer. Want this product so so bad and can't get it. DAMN
You are aware that there are plenty of independent BMW shops that can do it for you, right? Go to Dinan's website and they should be able to locate a shop in your area.

Sure glad I don't live in Chi-Town! Sorry to hear the dealers are being so dense there.
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Have you tried independent shops? There are some around here (like Motorwerks) which can flash Dinan (or at least they used to be able to).

Dinan site only shows 2 dealers and 1 independent in IL now. I can call the Independent, but it really scared me off on just how much the 2 very reputable dealers didn't want to deal with Dinan, their reps or their product. My car is a CPO w/ 25k miles. No stock oil cooler and wanted to at least get in on the sale. They've extended it, so I have another two weeks to S$%t or get off the pot I guess, but it will be w/o dealer support. I wasn't all that thrilled anyway about the minimal gains (30hp) I'd get from Stage 1 anyway. Currently working on getting all of the parts together for an oil cooler retrofit. Cheers.
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I was talking to my local dinan dealer tech and he basically told me unless I was really tracking the car or a "stop light racer" ie pedal smashing stop light to stop light the factory ic is fine. With normal air flow the ic has no problem with heat soak.
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That leaves the #2 dealer who only knows how to send the DME out to Dinan. Who wants to lock up your car for 4 days
Driving a 328i for 3 or 4 days is the end of the world?

My SA gave me a loaner while he shipped my chip to Dinan because I was "due for a brake flush."

Due for a brake flush at 10 months?
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I didn't pay $4000 for a tune - where do you get that figure? Dinan Stage 2 was less than $1700 (on sale until end of May). Take a few minutes to get the facts before you start going off on an uninformed tangent. And if you haven't been able to comprehend why I (or any of the rest us Dinan-tuned owners) went that route, you need to go back and re-read. It's about quality, not quantity.

Also, where do you get that I don't care about performance? I care about performance, but I'm not addicted to it to the point where I have to know if I'm 2/10ths of a second quicker or slower than Joe Piggyback or can lap the track a second or two faster or slower. I just like the increased performance, and I'm not out there trying to compete with everyone else. Does that clarify things for you?

Actually, I got you and the op mixed up. I was referring to the price they were throwing around $4000 with the additional mods and tune. My mistake.


On to the other subjects....

Are you sensative or something? I wasn't on a tangent. I was asking a question.

You jumping to conclusions and getting defensive only tells me that your statements that "you don't care" ect ect ect...only confirms that you do.

You know, like the person that always tells you how religious or honest they are...
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I didn't pay $4000 for a tune - where do you get that figure? Dinan Stage 2 was less than $1700 (on sale until end of May). Take a few minutes to get the facts before you start going off on an uninformed tangent. And if you haven't been able to comprehend why I (or any of the rest us Dinan-tuned owners) went that route, you need to go back and re-read. It's about quality, not quantity.

Also, where do you get that I don't care about performance? I care about performance, but I'm not addicted to it to the point where I have to know if I'm 2/10ths of a second quicker or slower than Joe Piggyback or can lap the track a second or two faster or slower. I just like the increased performance, and I'm not out there trying to compete with everyone else. Does that clarify things for you?
It sounds like you like making excuses to be slower.

Tell me this...

If the DME controls ignition more or less on all tunes, and the DME controls A/F more or less, and both tunes can run the same boost, what part of quality does dinan offer over joe shmoe tune?

Throttle response and driveability are the only thing to distinguish tunes and bells and whistles.

Don't even respond to this.... I already know what your answer is going to be. An over-elaborate excuse to make us think Dinan is prestigious and slower thats why you do it. As I said in this thread or another, I dont give a sh*t if mickey mouse made the tune.... does it work for my needs and my car and I find value in the price... Yes... Done.

You want to spend 3x more money on a tune and it helps you sleep at night, good for you. Just dont preach like its the best thing since sliced bread, and if you arent, then good we are on the same page after all.

But here is the problem with your post, you buy mods, and know there are faster options, yet you say you care about performance....

Now its one thing for someone to say, I know there are faster options, but they are more expensive thats why I dont buy them fine...

But you bought the more expensive slower option..... but you care about performance, thats why you bought the slower one?

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