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      10-10-2017, 05:13 AM   #23
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boy, i really want to get inside this one and drive it!
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      10-10-2017, 08:37 AM   #24
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Why do you guys even drive a european car if you can get a ZL1 for under 65k and gas is dirt cheap?
I mean....because I can buy a 09' 135i that's pretty much already 450whp that I have...ah....16k into? That's why.
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      10-10-2017, 10:21 AM   #25
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Why do you guys even drive a european car if you can get a ZL1 for under 65k and gas is dirt cheap?
Same reason I don't understand why people lust after American muscle when they have diesel manual AWD wagons available. The grass is always greener... although I guess neither of these options are very green.
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Why do you guys even drive a european car if you can get a ZL1 for under 65k and gas is dirt cheap?
Because it shares an interior with this model:

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      10-10-2017, 11:35 AM   #27
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Because it shares an interior with this model:

This again
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Because it shares an interior with this model:

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Sorry some like a well rounded car.
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      10-10-2017, 01:41 PM   #30
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Sorry some like a well rounded car.
You honestly think the Dodge Demon, with an optional passenger seat, drag radials, a trans-brake, and 800+hp is trying to be a well-rounded car? This forum gets more priceless by the day...
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      10-10-2017, 03:13 PM   #31
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Same reason I don't understand why people lust after American muscle when they have diesel manual AWD wagons available. The grass is always greener... although I guess neither of these options are very green.
Manual diesel awd wagons are usually a compromise for economy, practicality and reliability. (I drive a manual, diesel volvo xc70 as a daily....)
Thats a choice from the head, not from the heart.
With cars like this demon, nothing originated in the head, it all came out of someones heart.

BTW a diesel car only is less green regarding NOx emissions although that changes fast because fuel efficient petrol cars also have worse NOx emissions (as high NOx emissions are a byproduct of efficient combustion), but the CO2 emissions are way less than especially US V8 petrol blocks.
Also the more modern diesel cars (for instance the current 5 series) now even come with NOx emission reduction systems like adblue (like some trucks have), so technology advances rapidly in that field.
NOx emissions are usually only a problem in cities as NOx gets converted really fast into nitrogen and oxygen (its an unstable molecule) within a few hundred feet of the road. Fine particle matter emissions are becoming less of a problem since dpf filters have been standard for 10 years or so.
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      10-10-2017, 03:15 PM   #32
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I just have a lowly rs vert this weekend and don't mind the interior except for not being able to see out very well.
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People have to find something to bash on the American cars now since they're taking down exotics and European cars on road courses left and right for much less of a price.

A car is a car and a truck is a truck, etc. Some do certain things better than others in their perspective class.
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Why not a Charger Demon? Fun for the whole family, Grandma shitting her depends in the backseat.
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      10-11-2017, 10:59 PM   #35
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I love this. in a world where everything is bubble wrapped to keep people safe, this is beautiful. just stupid in it's perfection.

it wont steer, but who cares?! you want to steer, get a GTR or 911. this is a beast. much love.
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Sorry some like a well rounded car.
You honestly think the Dodge Demon, with an optional passenger seat, drag radials, a trans-brake, and 800+hp is trying to be a well-rounded car? This forum gets more priceless by the day...
The demon is a great car but as car and driver pointed out . . . If you turn the steering wheel it voids the warranty.
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...The street presence this car has is like few others...
I wholeheartedly agree. And Demon and Hellcat are two of the coolest cars on sale today. A swan song to internal combustion greatness...
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The demon is a great car but as car and driver pointed out . . . If you turn the steering wheel it voids the warranty.
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The demon is a great car but as car and driver pointed out . . . If you turn the steering wheel it voids the warranty.
You'd be surprised by the handling of a hellcat. so I assume the same applies to the demon. I drove a hellcat at Bondurant... was amazed at how fun it was.
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      10-21-2017, 07:09 AM   #40
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Because it shares an interior with this model:

Have you ever been in the newer Challengers? They have better leather and soft touch areas than most BMWs at the same price point.
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The demon is a great car but as car and driver pointed out . . . If you turn the steering wheel it voids the warranty.
Clueless...I've been on the track with a hellcat and it was keeping up with (or beating) all the other race spec street cars (Porsches, Vettes, BMWs, etc). I was shocked.
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      10-21-2017, 11:38 AM   #42
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Clueless...I've been on the track with a hellcat and it was keeping up with (or beating) all the other race spec street cars (Porsches, Vettes, BMWs, etc). I was shocked.
Even if thatís true, itís going to chew though brakes, pads, clutch and consumables faster and use a lot more gas to do the same thing. Being heavier it takes more tires, more anti-sway, more everything to keep it stable. In the case of the demon, Iíd think a Tesla would be the better choice for instant acceleration, which seems to be the only point of the demon.

That said, options for a track-able American sedan are rapidly becoming limited.
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You can remove American. Outside of the F80 and C63, not many choices for a trackable sedan. The Alfa 4Q would count if it would just hold together.
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Even if that’s true, it’s going to chew though brakes, pads, clutch and consumables faster and use a lot more gas to do the same thing. Being heavier it takes more tires, more anti-sway, more everything to keep it stable. In the case of the demon, I’d think a Tesla would be the better choice for instant acceleration, which seems to be the only point of the demon.
SO?! If you're worried about that, go drive a Honda Odyssey!

It is some crazy engineering to make a porker like the Challenger a track worthy car and the fastest 0-60 production car in the world (Demon).
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