RWD vs AWD

Eracer76 · 06-13-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Morris

RWD is better any time it isn't traction limited. The more power you make the more often it will be.

See, thats the problem with RWD... traction is limited most of the time in everyday driving, and with more power even dry conditions can be traction limited from a stop.

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Originally Posted by idrift4wd

honestly awd is only cool in the rain. In california idk why you would need awd. but places in the east coast where it rains or snows... its dry for most of the year. rwd can launch just as well as awd.

Yes is it is very cool to have AWD in the rain, because you can stomp on the gas, and still have traction, even from a stop... But of course AWD isn't really needed if you live in an area where it doesn't snow, and you don't mind spinning in the rain, but the OP lives on the east coast where it probably does snow. And you've got to be joking with your comment on how RWD can launch just as well as AWD??? LOL Maybe at a drag strip with slicks, otherwise there is no way in hell the RWD launches as good as the AWD!

kdiggz · 06-13-2012, 08:58 AM

After barely surviving a winter with a g35 (with an LSD) on brand new blizzaks and even adding different sized sand bags in the trunk, I've been driving awd with snow tires ever since. It's just not worth it to risk my family's life so I can race someone from a roll only in perfect weather conditions. Man up and go from a dig while the rwd guy prays he can hook

And to the guys worrying about the transfer case, I've never read anything on here about one exploding. I think as more xi guys push the envelope you will see how strong this drivetrain is. Meanwhile the single turbo rwd guys can't get traction in any gear. Open differential ftl. It's all about putting the power to the ground

nailer335 · 06-13-2012, 08:58 AM

He is joking. Maybe he's just that good lol

nailer335 · 06-13-2012, 09:04 AM

I have literally beaten the hell out of my xi. Many many many brake boosted launches in first and second gear. Hell I was flooring the car with 300 miles on it. Now at 71000 miles and still mechanically sound, no problems other than bad gas mileage from having too much fun shaming all sorts of RWD cars around town that cant figure out how I jump so far ahead of them to the next light around town while they sit and spin their tires.

I am beginning to think that a few xi's TC stories have been badly exacerbated.

AWD Addict · 06-13-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BES335xi

Im looking to trade/sell my AWD for a RWD, mainly because of that 30-130 is not fast enough and also worrying about Transfer Case, so now im looking for a coupe n54 6mt rwd.

You're going to be disapointed. The difference really isn't noticable unless you're clocking it at the track.

AWD Addict · 06-13-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by themyst

You haven't tried the continental DWS then.

I put these on my wife's turbo AWD S40 last year. Nice rubber.

I rock Nokian in the winter though. I don't think there's any comparison. The Hakka's are simply the best snow tire I've been on.

gzim335 · 06-13-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AWD Addict

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Originally Posted by BES335xi

Im looking to trade/sell my AWD for a RWD, mainly because of that 30-130 is not fast enough and also worrying about Transfer Case, so now im looking for a coupe n54 6mt rwd.

You're going to be disapointed. The difference really isn't noticable unless you're clocking it at the track.

I told him the same thing,he won't be much faster n IMO its not worth trading his car in for a rwd

BES335xi · 06-13-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AWD Addict

I put these on my wife's turbo AWD S40 last year. Nice rubber.

I rock Nokian in the winter though. I don't think there's any comparison. The Hakka's are simply the best snow tire I've been on.

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Originally Posted by gzim335

I told him the same thing,he won't be much faster n IMO its not worth trading his car in for a rwd

I guess time to race 1Lumi one day which we sort of have the same mods just me being an XI to see where i stand...lol'

But i see RB turbos in my future; within the year/next, and again being an AT and an XI i will still be scared shitless to push it unless i do a level 10 at upgrade, so i was trying to trade and possibly get an MT RWD... I will keep it during the summer though and if anything i'll try and trade/sell during the winter when XI's are in somewhat demand.

themyst · 06-13-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BES335xi

I guess time to race 1Lumi one day which we sort of have the same mods just me being an XI to see where i stand...lol'

But i see RB turbos in my future; within the year/next, and again being an AT and an XI i will still be scared shitless to push it unless i do a level 10 at upgrade, so i was trying to trade and possibly get an MT RWD... I will keep it during the summer though and if anything i'll try and trade/sell during the winter when XI's are in somewhat demand.

So run low boost daily and don't beat the piss out of the car. "Sparingly" is the key.

FWIW, I run Map 2 daily (14.5 psi tapering to 11 or something) with CPS on, no meth. Timing looks great, no timing flatline, and pulls pretty well.

gzim335 · 06-13-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BES335xi

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Originally Posted by AWD Addict

I put these on my wife's turbo AWD S40 last year. Nice rubber.

I rock Nokian in the winter though. I don't think there's any comparison. The Hakka's are simply the best snow tire I've been on.

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Originally Posted by gzim335

I told him the same thing,he won't be much faster n IMO its not worth trading his car in for a rwd

I guess time to race 1Lumi one day which we sort of have the same mods just me being an XI to see where i stand...lol'

But i see RB turbos in my future; within the year/next, and again being an AT and an XI i will still be scared shitless to push it unless i do a level 10 at upgrade, so i was trying to trade and possibly get an MT RWD... I will keep it during the summer though and if anything i'll try and trade/sell during the winter when XI's are in somewhat demand.

watch out from Lumi he's been experimenting lately saw him boosting 17psi on e85 so it won't be fair lol
PS if u do run Meto make sure u race from a dig no matter how much he insists from a roll dig or nothing,map 2 ull loose but if u could get e85 on map 5 ull have a chance

gzim335 · 06-13-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

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Originally Posted by BES335xi

I guess time to race 1Lumi one day which we sort of have the same mods just me being an XI to see where i stand...lol'

But i see RB turbos in my future; within the year/next, and again being an AT and an XI i will still be scared shitless to push it unless i do a level 10 at upgrade, so i was trying to trade and possibly get an MT RWD... I will keep it during the summer though and if anything i'll try and trade/sell during the winter when XI's are in somewhat demand.

So run low boost daily and don't beat the piss out of the car. "Sparingly" is the key.

FWIW, I run Map 2 daily (14.5 psi tapering to 11 or something) with CPS on, no meth. Timing looks great, no timing flatline, and pulls pretty well.

don't need to run low boost keep it on map3 just don't step on it simple lol
i haven't ran any other map since I got meth

Beemw335 · 06-13-2012, 02:41 PM

I have a 335i rwd 6at
Friend has a 335xi 6at
From a stop or a roll the i always wins.
In the snow however its a different story lol

Eracer76 · 06-13-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemw335

I have a 335i rwd 6at
Friend has a 335xi 6at
From a stop or a roll the i always wins.
In the snow however its a different story lol

That's nice, but that proves nothing.
Are both cars bone stock? Or do they have mods? What were the conditions? I'm guessing the roads were dry and they're both stock. If thats case the RWD probably would win the race since stock cars hardly have enough power to even spin the tires! And if your friend knew how to drive/launch his car, you would lose from a 0-60mph every time regardless of the conditions!

themyst · 06-13-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gzim335

don't need to run low boost keep it on map3 just don't step on it simple lol
i haven't ran any other map since I got meth

That also works, but i am lazy refilling my meth tank

pits200 · 06-13-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemw335

I have a 335i rwd 6at
Friend has a 335xi 6at
From a stop or a roll the i always wins.
In the snow however its a different story lol

No offense but from a dig an evenly modded xi vs i, the xi should keep the lead up till at least 80-90mph.

A lot of xi's are running 1.6-1.7 60s at the track. Without dedicated tires, an i isn't going to have a chance in the first 60.

BES335xi · 06-13-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gzim335

watch out from Lumi he's been experimenting lately saw him boosting 17psi on e85 so it won't be fair lol
PS if u do run Meto make sure u race from a dig no matter how much he insists from a roll dig or nothing,map 2 ull loose but if u could get e85 on map 5 ull have a chance

Haha i know...Yeah i could easy get e85 like 10min from here, just been gettin' a boost leak and go into limp mode every time i go wot from 60-130, every time i pass 110mph+ i go into a limp mode and havent had the time to check for any boost leaks or what the deal is witht that. And as for meto he admits he aint good from the dig lol

nailer335 · 06-13-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemw335

I have a 335i rwd 6at
Friend has a 335xi 6at
From a stop or a roll the i always wins.
In the snow however its a different story lol

Honestly... With posts like this, replete with poor detail, zero substance, you represent yourself horribly unfavorably and your opinion is given little if any regard.

... "Oh. Well Beemw335 has an i and his friend has an xi and he said 'i always wins.' End of discussion guys"

Priceless contribution my friend.

gzim335 · 06-13-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BES335xi

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Originally Posted by gzim335

watch out from Lumi he's been experimenting lately saw him boosting 17psi on e85 so it won't be fair lol
PS if u do run Meto make sure u race from a dig no matter how much he insists from a roll dig or nothing,map 2 ull loose but if u could get e85 on map 5 ull have a chance

Haha i know...Yeah i could easy get e85 like 10min from here, just been gettin' a boost leak and go into limp mode every time i go wot from 60-130, every time i pass 110mph+ i go into a limp mode and havent had the time to check for any boost leaks or what the deal is witht that. And as for meto he admits he aint good from the dig lol

I had a boost leak few months ago too it wasn't big n it didn't go on limo mode but I was slightly off target,after a while I was hitting target again weird maybe the leak closed lol its a pain when its a small leak as u don't know where to look first,check all ur vacume lines if its small leak

BES335xi · 06-13-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gzim335

I had a boost leak few months ago too it wasn't big n it didn't go on limo mode but I was slightly off target,after a while I was hitting target again weird maybe the leak closed lol its a pain when its a small leak as u don't know where to look first,check all ur vacume lines if its small leak

I visually checked everything i cant really see anything, and i barely have the time to take my car apart so i just made an appt nearby to have this shop do a complete diagonstics/smoke test on tuesday. It seems like a small leak because i'm boosting fine per my p3 boost gauge, just when i go wot and reach 110mph+ i occasionally go into a limpmode, hpfp was replaced late last year, unless my turbos are starting to go kaboom, then time for RB's or another car 335i + RBs...lol

AWD Addict · 06-13-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemw335

I have a 335i rwd 6at
Friend has a 335xi 6at
From a stop or a roll the i always wins.
In the snow however its a different story lol

Science is awesome.

NY135ivishnu · 06-13-2012, 04:45 PM

You don't need LSD with the AWD....

Beemw335 · 06-13-2012, 04:48 PM

Stock for stock I won multiple times in different weather conditions.
Even with tunes I won off the line. I have 275 conti dw tires in the rear so traction isnt much of an issue.
At the track I outlaunch an f10 550xdrive and beat him in the 1/4
My xi friend lost that race. And please dont say driver error, an automatic xi isnt hard to launch.
We both have exact same mods.

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kdiggz Captain 20 Rep 659 Posts Drives: e92 ///M3 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Buffalo, NY iTrader: (10)	After barely surviving a winter with a g35 (with an LSD) on brand new blizzaks and even adding different sized sand bags in the trunk, I've been driving awd with snow tires ever since. It's just not worth it to risk my family's life so I can race someone from a roll only in perfect weather conditions. Man up and go from a dig while the rwd guy prays he can hook And to the guys worrying about the transfer case, I've never read anything on here about one exploding. I think as more xi guys push the envelope you will see how strong this drivetrain is. Meanwhile the single turbo rwd guys can't get traction in any gear. Open differential ftl. It's all about putting the power to the ground
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nailer335 Captain 25 Rep 699 Posts Drives: e90 335i f30 330i g20 m340i Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i [0.00] 2022 m340i [0.00] 2017 330i xdrive [0.00]	He is joking. Maybe he's just that good lol
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nailer335 Captain 25 Rep 699 Posts Drives: e90 335i f30 330i g20 m340i Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i [0.00] 2022 m340i [0.00] 2017 330i xdrive [0.00]	I have literally beaten the hell out of my xi. Many many many brake boosted launches in first and second gear. Hell I was flooring the car with 300 miles on it. Now at 71000 miles and still mechanically sound, no problems other than bad gas mileage from having too much fun shaming all sorts of RWD cars around town that cant figure out how I jump so far ahead of them to the next light around town while they sit and spin their tires. I am beginning to think that a few xi's TC stories have been badly exacerbated.
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Beemw335 Colonel 62 Rep 2,013 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: My car is my home iTrader: (2)	I have a 335i rwd 6at Friend has a 335xi 6at From a stop or a roll the i always wins. In the snow however its a different story lol
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Beemw335 Colonel 62 Rep 2,013 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: My car is my home iTrader: (2)	Stock for stock I won multiple times in different weather conditions. Even with tunes I won off the line. I have 275 conti dw tires in the rear so traction isnt much of an issue. At the track I outlaunch an f10 550xdrive and beat him in the 1/4 My xi friend lost that race. And please dont say driver error, an automatic xi isnt hard to launch. We both have exact same mods.
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