Surprise i had vargas stage 2 turbos

k_garretson23 · 10-26-2016, 04:03 PM

I bought my 335xi second hand from a dealer. I noticed it had catless dps, and a fmic. I finshed doing full bolt ons and the car ran awesome. It recently started smoking so I ordered new stock turbos. I pulled out the old smoking ones to realize the car had stage 2 vargas turbos. Now my question is i already have stock replacement turbos, getting the vargas ones rebuilt would be 500$ each. I cannot wait for the turn around to get them rebuilt at the moment because its starting to get cold and i do all my work in the driveway on jack stands.

My question is how much of a loss will have running the same boost on the stock turbos. The car has full bolt ons and jb4, currently makes about 18psi on the vargas turbos.

TrAcK TRaP · 10-26-2016, 04:55 PM

Lucky you

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 10-26-2016, 04:56 PM

It will be a pretty significant drop in performance if you go stock turbos after having the upgraded ones in there..

Mike

k_garretson23 · 10-26-2016, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by the storm breaks

Just curious, how many miles are on your car?

about 110k

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Originally Posted by N54CherryHill

Lucky you

not lucky me theyre not going back in, any time soon at least

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

It will be a pretty significant drop in performance if you go stock turbos after having the upgraded ones in there..

Mike

just what i didnt want to hear

mike@x-ph.com · 10-26-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by k_garretson23

I bought my 335xi second hand from a dealer. I noticed it had catless dps, and a fmic. I finshed doing full bolt ons and the car ran awesome. It recently started smoking so I ordered new stock turbos. I pulled out the old smoking ones to realize the car had stage 2 vargas turbos. Now my question is i already have stock replacement turbos, getting the vargas ones rebuilt would be 500$ each. I cannot wait for the turn around to get them rebuilt at the moment because its starting to get cold and i do all my work in the driveway on jack stands.

My question is how much of a loss will have running the same boost on the stock turbos. The car has full bolt ons and jb4, currently makes about 18psi on the vargas turbos.

Assuming the turbos were performing as good as they should, the difference will be very noticeable ... I say rebuild Vargas turbos

Riceball777 · 10-26-2016, 05:51 PM

On straight pump 91/93 octane I would expect a drop of 50-100whp.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 10-26-2016, 06:02 PM

You'll need to switch back to the OTS maps of JB4 for your mods. Likely Map 2 and default settings.

It will be a large difference in power.

Grand_hustle17 · 10-26-2016, 06:27 PM

Rebuild

pysical · 10-26-2016, 07:37 PM

Or sell the VTT to me for cheap

LQQKOUT · 10-26-2016, 08:04 PM

I thought they rebuilt them for $350ea. Send them the serial number and they should be able to provide you all the specs.

Chris@VargasTurboTech · 10-26-2016, 10:15 PM

Haha! What a surprise! I once returned a Subaru to "mostly stock" and sold it to the dealer... wonder if the next person ever figured out the larger injectors and the forged pistons in that thing....

Shoot me an email at Chris@VargasTurbo.com with some pics of the turbos, see if you can get a S/N off of them, we can look up history and try to work something out.

You're not going to want to go back to stock turbos after having better breathing ones.

Chris

jjbmuu · 10-26-2016, 11:54 PM

Just get a space heater and keep the garage door closed and let it warm up the area for a little bit and just suck up the rest, it'll be well worth your time lol.

Kevinl · 10-27-2016, 12:11 AM

I would use them as a door stop

titium · 10-27-2016, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

Haha! What a surprise! I once returned a Subaru to "mostly stock" and sold it to the dealer... wonder if the next person ever figured out the larger injectors and the forged pistons in that thing....

Shoot me an email at Chris@VargasTurbo.com with some pics of the turbos, see if you can get a S/N off of them, we can look up history and try to work something out.

You're not going to want to go back to stock turbos after having better breathing ones.

Chris

send him a set of gc's direct swap for his stockers he bought + the broken stage 2s and call it a day

MasterWang · 10-28-2016, 11:27 AM

This makes me hesitant about upgrading turbos.
My stocks are smoking now so I'm considering upgrading to VTT, but I can't have new turbos smoking again within just a few years!

TrollToll · 10-28-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterWang

This makes me hesitant about upgrading turbos.
My stocks are smoking now so I'm considering upgrading to VTT, but I can't have new turbos smoking again within just a few years!

Stock is by far the most reliable, short of going single.

sudo4re · 10-28-2016, 05:23 PM

Hmmmm, haven't hear of smoking Pures compared to RB's and VTT's. I think I'm going to spend the extra and get the Pures stg2 just for the peace of mind.

pits200 · 10-28-2016, 08:30 PM

Where are all the gc failure posts?

whyzee125 · 11-04-2016, 09:44 AM

Return the stockers and have the Vargas rebuilt. It'll cost less and you'll be happier in the long run. Yeah, it sucks having some downtime and it'll be cold, but you could even use some of the savings to rent a car until it's done. Good luck!

ferocity02 · 11-04-2016, 12:31 PM

Get them rebuilt, then sell them, return the stockers, and then buy Pure turbos.

JasW · 11-04-2016, 12:38 PM

Nooo, do all that but go single!

10-26-2016, 04:03 PM	#1
k_garretson23 New Member 3 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 08 335xi Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: clementon nj iTrader: (0)	Surprise i had vargas stage 2 turbos I bought my 335xi second hand from a dealer. I noticed it had catless dps, and a fmic. I finshed doing full bolt ons and the car ran awesome. It recently started smoking so I ordered new stock turbos. I pulled out the old smoking ones to realize the car had stage 2 vargas turbos. Now my question is i already have stock replacement turbos, getting the vargas ones rebuilt would be 500$ each. I cannot wait for the turn around to get them rebuilt at the moment because its starting to get cold and i do all my work in the driveway on jack stands. My question is how much of a loss will have running the same boost on the stock turbos. The car has full bolt ons and jb4, currently makes about 18psi on the vargas turbos.
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10-26-2016, 04:55 PM	#2
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10-26-2016, 04:56 PM	#3
Mike@N54Tuning.com Joint Chiefs of Staff 4914 Rep 115,980 Posts Drives: 2007 335i, 2015 M3 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N54tuning.com iTrader: (89)	It will be a pretty significant drop in performance if you go stock turbos after having the upgraded ones in there.. Mike
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10-26-2016, 05:51 PM	#6
Riceball777 Lieutenant 163 Rep 466 Posts Drives: S2000 618whp/ e90 335i Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	On straight pump 91/93 octane I would expect a drop of 50-100whp. __________________ 2007 e90 335i pure stage 2 DD turbos, rb inlets
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10-26-2016, 06:02 PM	#7
Jeff@TopGearSolutions 3441 Rep 79,211 Posts Drives: C6 Z06, 09 335i, 10 335xi Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: www.TopGearSolutions.com iTrader: (37)	You'll need to switch back to the OTS maps of JB4 for your mods. Likely Map 2 and default settings. It will be a large difference in power.
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10-26-2016, 06:27 PM	#8
Grand_hustle17 Major 192 Rep 1,173 Posts Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	Rebuild
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10-26-2016, 07:37 PM	#9
pysical Captain 127 Rep 712 Posts Drives: 2009 335xi Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Laurel MD iTrader: (1)	Or sell the VTT to me for cheap
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10-26-2016, 08:04 PM	#10
LQQKOUT Lieutenant 102 Rep 416 Posts Drives: 335XI Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States iTrader: (4)	I thought they rebuilt them for $350ea. Send them the serial number and they should be able to provide you all the specs.
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10-26-2016, 10:15 PM	#11
Chris@VargasTurboTech Lieutenant Colonel 1933 Rep 1,532 Posts Drives: All Things TurboCharged Join Date: May 2016 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Haha! What a surprise! I once returned a Subaru to "mostly stock" and sold it to the dealer... wonder if the next person ever figured out the larger injectors and the forged pistons in that thing.... Shoot me an email at Chris@VargasTurbo.com with some pics of the turbos, see if you can get a S/N off of them, we can look up history and try to work something out. You're not going to want to go back to stock turbos after having better breathing ones. Chris
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10-26-2016, 11:54 PM	#12
jjbmuu 4ut0strd4 47 Rep 223 Posts Drives: 08 AW E92 335i 6 Speed Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	Just get a space heater and keep the garage door closed and let it warm up the area for a little bit and just suck up the rest, it'll be well worth your time lol. __________________ 08 E92 335i Alpine White On Coral Red 6 Speed BMS DCI+Aquamist METH Kit+MHD+VRSF+AR25 Resonators+HPF IC+AA CP+AA BOV+SSK+KWV1+Mfactory SMFW+550i/335is Clutch+BBS LM Reps+Diff Brace+M Performance Shift Knob+RB PCV+HPF OCC+NGK Mustang Dyno: 426whp/484wtq on E30/Meth/Stock Inlets+Outlets/Procede Only @ 18psi Current Estimate: 450/500 on E50 Custom EDC Tuning MHD Flash @ 21psi
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10-27-2016, 12:11 AM	#13
Kevinl Lieutenant 210 Rep 563 Posts Drives: 2017 BMW M3 Alpine White 6MT Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Phoenix iTrader: (0)	I would use them as a door stop
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10-28-2016, 11:27 AM	#15
MasterWang Captain 136 Rep 925 Posts Drives: F06 M6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Overland Park, KS iTrader: (2)	This makes me hesitant about upgrading turbos. My stocks are smoking now so I'm considering upgrading to VTT, but I can't have new turbos smoking again within just a few years!
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10-28-2016, 05:23 PM	#17
sudo4re Second Lieutenant 46 Rep 231 Posts Drives: 2011 335is DCT Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Earth, circa 21st Century iTrader: (9)	Hmmmm, haven't hear of smoking Pures compared to RB's and VTT's. I think I'm going to spend the extra and get the Pures stg2 just for the peace of mind.
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10-28-2016, 08:30 PM	#18
pits200 Colonel 547 Rep 2,590 Posts Drives: 09 335i X-Drive Black Sapphire Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pittsburgh iTrader: (1)	Where are all the gc failure posts?
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11-04-2016, 09:44 AM	#19
whyzee125 Brigadier General 1677 Rep 3,642 Posts Drives: Dinan stage 2 335i Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Chattanooga Tn iTrader: (0)	Return the stockers and have the Vargas rebuilt. It'll cost less and you'll be happier in the long run. Yeah, it sucks having some downtime and it'll be cold, but you could even use some of the savings to rent a car until it's done. Good luck!
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11-04-2016, 12:31 PM	#20
ferocity02 Colonel 530 Rep 2,083 Posts Drives: 2013 135is Join Date: May 2014 Location: USA iTrader: (8)	Get them rebuilt, then sell them, return the stockers, and then buy Pure turbos. __________________ 2013 135is DCT Carbon Black Metallic
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