[PAKMAN]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Wow, Anthony, you called us about this issue, we explained this to you
well enough so we thought you might understood this. Guess not.
You even saw the one on the wall at the dealer, with CLEARLY Meisterschaft logos on it.
and you are about to make a case out on this one?
if you are going to talk about photos, you can stop using our copy-righted photos
on your website. Beastpower for instance, another eisenmann master distributor
is even saying the same thing here.. you are using our photos which you do not own any rights.

The BMW dealer you went took photos,
part manager surely knew about the situation and issues clearly,
and the vehicle was their demo vehicle and we put it on for free
and they loved it. period.

As we have explained over the phone several times to you specifically,
It was only one made before the whole incident and that's it.
No longer the case.
You even told us that you will stay out of this and we will stay out of your way.
what is the deal here?

how come i didnt get mine for free??haters. bannnn

[OC Guy]

Eisenhaus = Deceptive, dirty, and no longer a vendor. I wonder why.

You guys are frauds and liars. Period. GTFO.

[EisenHaus]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Eisenhaus = Deceptive, dirty, and no longer a vendor. I wonder why.

You guys are frauds and liars. Period. GTFO.

Good luck selling your eisenmann exhaust.
and thank you for calling us in for "German made eisenmann unit" return.
but sorry, you got a german made eisenmann unit and we will not take a return from you.
If that makes you mad, well, so be it.

You have been following our posts everywhere trying to make a case out of it,
but sorry, the fact does not change.
You have a german made eisenmann wether you like it or not
and we will not take a return back from you.

We have delivered a product that was promised and you knew exactly what you were getting.
This unit is not in a question of made in Germany or not.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Good luck selling your eisenmann exhaust.
and thank you for calling us in for "German made eisenmann unit" return.
but sorry, you got a german made eisenmann unit and we will not take a return from you. If that makes you mad, well, so be it.
You have been following our posts everywhere trying to make a case out of it, but sorry, the fact does not change. You have a german made eisenmann wether you like it or not and we will not take a return back from you.

1. No problem.
2. It wasn't a Eisenmann "Meistershaft" unit as it was labeled. It was Eisenmann Race. Show me where the product is an Eisenmann "Meistershaft." You can't. You can only try to use "clever" wording to dance around the subject.
3. It doesn't matter if you will take a return back from me, I got my money.

Congrats on trying to be clever again but you fail. You are only try to deceive.

I'm sure following you guys around where you go, it only took 5 pages for me to realize this thread. You are truly a low class businessman. What kind of businessman says if that makes you mad so be it? LOL. More retorts please.

Eisenhaus is pathetic. There's a reason why you have RUINED your reputation on this forum and other places.

Any more retorts?

[Kev]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Good luck selling your eisenmann exhaust.
and thank you for calling us in for "German made eisenmann unit" return.
but sorry, you got a german made eisenmann unit and we will not take a return from you.
If that makes you mad, well, so be it.

You have been following our posts everywhere trying to make a case out of it,
but sorry, the fact does not change.
You have a german made eisenmann wether you like it or not
and we will not take a return back from you.

We have delivered a product that was promised and you knew exactly what you were getting.
This unit is not in a question of made in Germany or not.

Regardless, you mis-represented the product and invented the term "Meisterschaft" when in fact it is an eisenmann "Race". You should be ashamed of you what you did! Jesus Christ for the crook to be crying out loud like this.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Kev

Regardless, you mis-represented the product and invented the term "Meisterschaft" when in fact it is an eisenmann "Race". You should be ashamed of you what you did! Jesus Christ for the crook to be crying out loud like this.

He doesn't understand when the customer goes and buys a product it can't simply be renamed and sold something else. Let me buy H&R Race Springs, label it as H&R Sport and sell it to you. See how that holds up. What Eisenhaus did is even worse than my comparison, Eisenmann didn't even make a Meistershaft for the E92 335i.

John Kang is a crook.

I'd like to see Eisenhaus reply to the bolded text above in an honest fashion.

[EisenHaus]

and that's why several vendors have banned you from purchasing.

[nusevad]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

and that's why several vendors have banned you from purchasing.

I think you should be banned.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

and that's why several vendors have banned you from purchasing.

That is a complete and fabricated lie. No one has denied taking any of my money unfortunately.

Tell me, what product have I tried to purchase and be denied?

and p.s. you avoided my question like I thought you would. I think it's YOU that got banned from SELLING.

[Mattscott]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Good luck selling your eisenmann exhaust.
and thank you for calling us in for "German made eisenmann unit" return.
but sorry, you got a german made eisenmann unit and we will not take a return from you.
If that makes you mad, well, so be it.

You have been following our posts everywhere trying to make a case out of it,
but sorry, the fact does not change.
You have a german made eisenmann wether you like it or not
and we will not take a return back from you.

We have delivered a product that was promised and you knew exactly what you were getting.
This unit is not in a question of made in Germany or not.

Ban?

[E90SLAM]

[Mattscott]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Good luck selling your eisenmann exhaust.
and thank you for calling us in for "German made eisenmann unit" return.
but sorry, you got a german made eisenmann unit and we will not take a return from you.
If that makes you mad, well, so be it.

You have been following our posts everywhere trying to make a case out of it,
but sorry, the fact does not change.
You have a german made eisenmann wether you like it or not
and we will not take a return back from you.

We have delivered a product that was promised and you knew exactly what you were getting.
This unit is not in a question of made in Germany or not.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

That particular unit was made before this incident,
and no longer the case. Period. we are done with it.
All the new units are Meisterschaft units and got nothing to do with eisenmann.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Wow, Anthony, you called us about this issue, we explained this to you
well enough so we thought you might understood this. Guess not.
You even saw the one on the wall at the dealer, with CLEARLY Meisterschaft logos on it.
and you are about to make a case out on this one?
if you are going to talk about photos, you can stop using our copy-righted photos
on your website. Beastpower for instance, another eisenmann master distributor
is even saying the same thing here.. you are using our photos which you do not own any rights.

The BMW dealer you went took photos,
part manager surely knew about the situation and issues clearly,
and the vehicle was their demo vehicle and we put it on for free
and they loved it. period.

As we have explained over the phone several times to you specifically,
It was only one made before the whole incident and that's it.
No longer the case.
You even told us that you will stay out of this and we will stay out of your way.
what is the deal here?

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

No it doesn't work that way. We did not cover up eisenmann logo anywhere.
Cannisters have Meisterschaft logos and aero-shield has Meisterschaft logos.
Nothing more. Aero shield is there to reduce the air-drag - added on a SUS unit. It surely does serve its function.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

They know it is not an Eisenmann
They surely know it is MEISTERSCHAFT - NOT eisenmann.

As we have said several time, it was one made before the incident,
and we are no longer making them under eisenmann brand.
NO more of this issue. It is Meisterschaft unit - done.

They have no problem with this unit
and they love the look how it performs
and especially sound of it.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

You can call up the dealer and ask about the system.
For sure, they will NOT say this is an eisenmann system and
it was out there to be tested on their car.
It is Meisterschaft unit - eisenmann does not sound mere close to it.

Dealer is Not selling this unit as eisenmann, period.
As we have explained throughly here,
it was one made before the incident and nothing more.

Yes, we remember you stopping over to our warehouse and saw this unit before this incident, and impressed with it. nothing more to be confused here.
That particular system is off of that car last week and New Meisterschaft unit is on the car.

Feel free to check the car out now
and take some time to take some photos like what you did here
and post them. Let's see if you would do such.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

They knew from the begining that It was Meisterschaft unit.
nothing was was a scam on this.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

We did sell eisenmann products and we were the sole and exclusive distributor.
But now, we are not selling eisenmann products any longer.
As much as or even more so than eisenmann doesn't want us,
we do not want to sell eisenmann unit and be tied with it any longer.
Meisterschaft is not tied with eisenmann anymore.

Meisterschaft is Meisterschaft.
eisenmann is eisenmann.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

We still have customers out here, who have purchased Meisterschaft units.
back out and not taking care of our customers is not what we are going to do.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

we were selling meisterschaft units and eisenmann units.
We are no longer selling eisenmann units.
therefore, will be no mix-up from this point and on.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

At this point, guess we have gotten enough negative comments about this situation,
so, we feel, some things have to be said sincerely to our board members.
Up until this point, we have not even posted our side of story or thoughts on this,
and we were actually planning on not to.... but guess, it is time for us to let out at least some of our side of story.

For Meisterschaft units - Partial and final assembly points
were/are either in Korea or Japan depending on the production batch and items
(particularly previous batch production of E60 M5 stainless steel units, all previous E46 M3 Titanium and stainless steel units were produced in factory in S.Korea and new E60 M5 and E63 M6 Titanium units are being produced and scheduled to be produced in factory in S.Korea . Stainless steel and Titanium units for porsche exhausts were produced in factory in Japan and new batch of stainless steel E63 M6 and Mercedes AMG units are currently scheduled to be produced in factory in Japan as well).
Depending on the factory schedules, production locations change. We were not too sure if you wanted to know the details of our production operation: (we have found this issue, kind of interesting; why that official letter of eisenmann showed such interests which leads to such demanding question, where these Meisterschaft units are made/ and stated, emphasizing Meisterschaft units are made in Korea and not aware of being produced in Japan - trying to make the product image appear or look inferior? - but simply fact doesn't change: Meisterschaft units are made with higher quality welding techniques, also with premium materials and also with far more advanced machines - no question about it, since we have delivered eisenmann units for 8 years, we know about the quality and we know about the products / we also clearly remember how much Meisterschaft units were highly appraised by eisenmann folks previously / saying they have never seen anything in such high quality product before - nothing further to be said on this.

Only true reason, why this info is not out to public is, because we were marketing eisenmann / meisterschaft products as Handmade German products from the day one. Business has developed in different ways for years (more explanation to follow under), so continue our marketing campaign and embrace, develop eisenmann brand was the reality we were facing.

Back to issue, (regards to meisterschaft products), regardless which factory the units are produced, we have done more than enough quality control checks at the factory sites before they get shipped to our US warehouse and we followed strict and extensive QC before shipping any units out from our warehouse to our demanding customers.
so, there should have been no quality issues - we just wanted to make sure that we send out nothing but top quality products to our customers. Yes, we did have our difficulties when we were developing items and we also had our down-times left and right, but we were so glad to see our customers were happy with products that they have received from eisenhaus and we were also very pleased that we are building meisterschaft - eisenmann line up to the next level together with eisenmann (under eisenhaus hold with continuous communications with factory in Germany).

During your purchase process,
if you were given thoughts or told these Meisterschaft units were made in Germany by our end, it is our bad, we do absolutely and sincerely do apologize if we have misleaded you in such way - really nothing else can be said on our side due to the fact that Meisterschaft units are not made in Germany at the end of the day and not made by eisenmann anymore: previously in initial stages, eisenmann did OE made some productions for meisterschaft units for eisenhaus - back in E46 M3 production days - year 2001 (we even have photos of it), along with meisterschaft logo stamps on the units (we remember we even had to pay the stamping molding cost to eisenmann factory for this OE production tip stamps (we have paying record) - just like kelleners sport ones: which by the way, kelleners units do not come with Kelleners logo on tips but only on the muffler body).

Again, back to issue: The fact is, Meisterschaft unit production were done by eisenmann in the begining, but since production have moved onto next level: Meisterschaft units are no longer made by eisenmann, Germany. The start was E46 M3 titanium units and SR pipes for E46 M3s. EisenHaus requested so many times to eisenmann factory to make full cat-back pipes to go along with rear box; to be competitive in the market, but it never happened. so, EisenHaus started to build top quality SR-pipes to suit demands of our customers to boost sales of eisenmann products - just the same way as your E60 M5 SR pipes, E63 SR pipes. you guys can go on, look at eisenmann site, if you see any SR pipe options... we came up with m6 unit and 335 units even before eisenmann units even come out to the market, (our units looks completely different), also none of AMG units we offer is offered by eisenmann.. 335 SR pipes are not even offered by eisenmann and on and on and on.. so how does this make Meisterschaft as a fake product?
and we find it very amusing one of popular unit being sold right now (by another third company – claims they have made it) on current market is ca opy of our meisterschaft unit!? (You know who you are, yeah.. you: we are sure you are watching this and we hope you are not laughing at it..)
Anyway, such example, leaded eisenhaus to produce more meisterschaft units to fullfill the demands and we also started producing premium level product - Titanium units which we again asked numerous times to eisenmann factory to invest and start making Ti units, but project was disagreed, rejected and never happened, so eisenhaus had invested on such costly development on our own and started to develop and started delivering these neat Ti units, which is truly work of art (it was the first in Euro vehicle tuning market - gruppeM Ti unit :made by a small company moteck came out years after our product). Since we had no problem calling our units meisterschaft - eisenmann units from the beginning, and since we were keeping the relationship in such - exclusive distributor for eisenmann for very long time, we did every-possible-way we can to develop eisenmann and meisterschaft combination to satisfy the demanding needs from our customers and grow the brand in the market.

From the hater's posts to document from eisenmann, all out and done and enough damage done on our side, we do not want to get into any further details why and how this eisenmann - eisenhaus deal went sour and so bad it seems.
but if indeed, eisenmann factory was all of sudden got ticked off on using eisenmann names on our units after 8 years!?, then we have no stance, nothing but apologize to our dear customers. and also if you say, if our units are mislabeled, then also yes, as long as eisenmann keeps their stance on this and not willing to explain the situation favor to our side then it becomes a fact, which we can not change. so, it automatically becomes our bad and we are again in a spot to sincerely do apologize on what happened.
But such business plans and projects which was noted and exchanged many times over the phone conversations and over numerous meetings, and honestly, and stupid enough on our end, all that time over 7-8 years, we thought we were developing and incubating eisenmann - meisterschaft brand together, but nothing more; that is a fact.
we even had a time upuntil few months before this had happened - on eisenmann German website,
our meisterschaft products were proudly displayed and sold - naming few; ti units, stainless steel SR pipes units and CFK tip options etc (they even have some stock at Germany which we have sent); and that is a fact.
We really thought we were kicking asz. Truly collaborating and developing the brand to next level together with factory in Germany. We thought we were building something together.

After math, as bad as it seems, our effort developing eisenmann became such tarnished and we are getting a lot of criticisms for our such actions, but at the end of this whole story, if this was going to be the result for us anyway, despite the fact of our sincere effort to develop eisenmann brand, then we are rather glad that this has happened now then later. Truly, Best of luck to new eisenmann distributors.
Since now we can start calling meisterschaft units; as true "Meisterschaft" units
If you need these Meisterschaft units, please let us know, we will also do our best to fullfill your needs.

If we were going to betray eisenmann / ruin their reputation, or if we had no intention of developing eisenmann brand and working with eisenmann as claimed, we probably could have done it easily long time ago, there is always more than 1 way to look at things,
as far as we know, meisterschaft and eisenmann units especially for E60 M5 and E63 M6, they became a must item for tunning m5 and m6 nowadays, and so far up until this point, customers have enjoyed so much on choosing which product to go with also adding up the sectional pipes for their cars or not...
...sadly, now we are arguing which one is better or worse and which one genuine and non-genuine,
which one is what... instead of pleasing people... truly sorry and sad.

Meisterschaft was the greatest sounding exhaust and quality was simply immaculate and amazing unit until this issue bursts out and all of sudden, people are calling these units - fakes, inferior master-crap. Ironic, isn't it? Best souding and best craftmanship to inferior quality product over night? ....?

Seriously, after the incident, past one month and a half, we have been asking our current unit purchasers, who did not like meisterschaft unit the day he receieved it and install it on your car? and which mechanic was not impressed with the quality of the product, when you try to install at the shop? who said bad things or bad influnce went to the eisenmann way from meisterschaft quality and product influences? Who was not satisfied when you first turned on your motor after installation?

You don't have to be convinced by our stories babled up on here by our end - maybe it is insignificant matter to you.
Regardless of what we say, and regardless that we are bastards, liars and schafters whatever you call it,
one thing for sure, our products will speak for itself. That is the hard fact.
We are not shy from showing off the quality of our products and more over we are not shy from offering awesome, kick azz customer service and lastly we are not hiding but answering phone calls and taking care of our customers' needs.

we are not a big company, but we were good enough to bring smiles to your faces with nice enough products of ours and also good enough to develop and bring in all innovative and fun things/ parts such as Ti, CFK units to previously non-such product existence market.

Overall, This situation really makes us sad and also very sorry, and for this reason, we are willing to make this right for you. If there are any customers out there who have concerns, problems with current products, please call us in and also for those people who do not even have our products and seeing this case amusing and saw an opportunity to put negative comments about our products and company, we ask you to please stop it at this time. We are trying to set the record straight up here with our true customers which is very important for us. Sincere service is what we have developed and offered to our customers for past 8 years - flat out, regardless of your unnecessary harsh comments - not necessary here. We already know the seriousness of situation and we are here to take care of it.

Again for those who are affected by this issue,
by any means, and all means, we do sincerely apologize what had happened and about all this confusing mixups
and if you would let us have a chance to fulfill your tuning needs and taste in the future,
we will be very flattered and will do our very best to accomplish it without such noise.
Thank you very much for your understanding.

Sincerely

EisenHaus - Meisterschaft exhausts systems
www.eisenhaus.com
Tel: 630.787.1600

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

and that's why several vendors have banned you from purchasing.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Good luck selling your eisenmann exhaust.
and thank you for calling us in for "German made eisenmann unit" return.
but sorry, you got a german made eisenmann unit and we will not take a return from you.
If that makes you mad, well, so be it.

You have been following our posts everywhere trying to make a case out of it,
but sorry, the fact does not change.
You have a german made eisenmann wether you like it or not
and we will not take a return back from you.

We have delivered a product that was promised and you knew exactly what you were getting.
This unit is not in a question of made in Germany or not.

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

and that's why several vendors have banned you from purchasing.

Originally Posted by FifthStreetz

I think you should be banned.

dude you really have the nerve to show ur face here and post again????!!! ur joking right?

yah i'd be proud if i get banned by deceptive fake vendors like yourself. if he's banned, and he probably isnt coz ur lying, it only makes him a hero, and he should be proud of it.

Seriously man, stop deceiving people. u really think people are gonna pass up on honest vendors and give business to you?! u've got a business plan to review, get busy doing that... honesty should be on top of ur list

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

That is a complete and fabricated lie. No one has denied taking any of my money unfortunately.

Tell me, what product have I tried to purchase and be denied?

and p.s. you avoided my question like I thought you would. I think it's YOU that got banned from SELLING.

maybe he means if u would ever buy another EisenFAKE they'd ban you?

[Mattscott]

Several vendors = him and his friend, and you know what JT. You're banned from them.

Sorry man, no more buying fake stuff from them, you'll just have to have someone else buy it for you next time you want one

[nusevad]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

x 1million

[Kev]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

He doesn't understand when the customer goes and buys a product it can't simply be renamed and sold something else. Let me buy H&R Race Springs, label it as H&R Sport and sell it to you. See how that holds up. What Eisenhaus did is even worse than my comparison, Eisenmann didn't even make a Meistershaft for the E92 335i.

John Kang is a crook.

I'd like to see Eisenhaus reply to the bolded text above in an honest fashion.

Seriously, I would like to see his ass get reamed in the Big House (Federal Penitentiary) for committing fraud and distribution of counterfeited goods.

[EisenHaus]

Alright, we will give it a rest.
we are not here to argue with anyone,
but we still have to take care of our customers who are involved.
so, we will be here to take care of them - we are obligated to take care
of customers.

so we clearly state again:
Meisterschaft units are not tied with eisenmann.
so, please do not bring in such comments anymore here.
Thank you.

[E90SLAM]

You still have customers???

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Good luck selling your eisenmann exhaust.
and thank you for calling us in for "German made eisenmann unit" return.
but sorry, you got a german made eisenmann unit and we will not take a return from you.
If that makes you mad, well, so be it.

You have been following our posts everywhere trying to make a case out of it,
but sorry, the fact does not change.
You have a german made eisenmann wether you like it or not
and we will not take a return back from you.

We have delivered a product that was promised and you knew exactly what you were getting.
This unit is not in a question of made in Germany or not.

Originally Posted by OC 335i

1. No problem.
2. It wasn't a Eisenmann "Meisterschaft" unit as it was labeled. It was Eisenmann Race. Show me where the product is an Eisenmann "Meisterschaft." You can't. You can only try to use "clever" wording to dance around the subject.
Any more retorts?

Originally Posted by EisenHaus

Alright, we will give it a rest.
we are not here to argue with anyone,
but we still have to take care of our customers who are involved.
so, we will be here to take care of them - we are obligated to take care
of customers.

so we clearly state again:
Meisterschaft units are not tied with eisenmann.
so, please do not bring in such comments anymore here.
Thank you.

See bold.

Thanks for confirming it and contradicting your earlier statements.

Owned.

[Fraggy]

Im curious where my money is? Every time I call Im told to wait longer. I was happy to be what I considered more than fair in accepting a settlement. But if I have to wait much longer, I may need to elevate things further, and I would hate to have to do that. I would rather end things directly and with civility.

[PAKMAN]

how come a dealer gets free muffler and i dont?..hater