[GMe90]

For any of you who go on forums for other cars, how many Audi drivers claim that the A4 is better that the S4, or Porsche drivers who claim that the Carrera is better than the Carrera S, or Mustang drivers who claim that the V6 is better than the GT?

[driverman]

Originally Posted by daniel96

I tried a 2009 and also a 2011. Black is my favorite, dark grey 2nd, blue 3rd. Those would be the only colors I consider, the blue would need to be a dark blue too.

There are 2 blacks - jet black and black sapphire metallic.

Jet black is a pure black where BSM has metallic flakes.
JB, when detailed properly, is a beautiful thing, but it's softer than BSM and more prone to scratching. So it's harder to keep looking good.
BSM will take more abuse so it's easier to keep sharp, but never as sharp as JB.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by GMe90

For any of you who go on forums for other cars, how many Audi drivers claim that the A4 is better that the S4, or Porsche drivers who claim that the Carrera is better than the Carrera S, or Mustang drivers who claim that the V6 is better than the GT?

A4 is just a over priced Jetta, with a nicer shape and interior.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

A4 is just a over priced Jetta, with a nicer shape and interior.

and different platform and drivetrain so pretty much has nothing in common with Jetta

[Johnny Boost]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

and different platform and drivetrain so pretty much has nothing in common with Jetta

If by nothing you mean sharing the same engine (2.0T) then yes, nothing. And the A3 looks identical to the Jetta. Looks like a legitimate re-badge.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Johnny Boost

If by nothing you mean sharing the same engine (2.0T) then yes, nothing. And the A3 looks identical to the Jetta. Looks like a legitimate re-badge.

A3 is the same platform as Jetta, A4 and up are not. A4 platform is performance oriented

[derrick603]

Originally Posted by XM_Rocks

Yes.

The Route 66 warranty even covers suspension bushings.

Is Route 66 easy to deal with? I've heard plenty of horror stories with various extended warranty providers, which is one reason I went with a CPO. In my experience with BMW CPO, they've been pretty reliable and easy to deal with, but if I can get the same level of service for less money, I may go that route next time.

[Benstuck]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

A3 is the same platform as Jetta, A4 and up are not. A4 platform is performance oriented

You're probably right, but the jetta body and the lines and creases look keenly familiar to the A4, from just looking at it drive by.

[AlexMilwaukee]

Originally Posted by daniel96

How long are HPFP and turbos covered by BMW? And what would you say is a good range of mileage to shoot for, obviously I know less is better, but with a 2009-2010 model what is a good range that's realistic?

I also have another question, I hear a lot of people talk about the JB4, which I know is a performance mod, but is it easy to install/uninstall?

That I'm not exactly sure, just search on here the mileage and years. I think it's like 80k for one and 120k for the other if I recall. I'm at just 50k, however I have tons of mods so it doesn't matter regardless.

I have the cobb which is really easy to install/uninstall. However it is NOT good to just do the tune without other parts to support your increased power.

[MonsterM]

Originally Posted by GMe90

For any of you who go on forums for other cars, how many Audi drivers claim that the A4 is better that the S4, or Porsche drivers who claim that the Carrera is better than the Carrera S, or Mustang drivers who claim that the V6 is better than the GT?

I really don't think anyone here is claiming that the 328 is the better car. I can't speak for the Porsche but unlike the 335 vs 328, the S4 is almost a completely different car than the A4. Also, a V6 Mustang is pretty quick out of the box and with the Performance Package it can be a very appealing choice. The 328 is not a fast car by any measure but the more reliable and proven N/A I6 can be appealing to some. Outside of the straight line acceleration and easy, inexpensive aftermarket support, the 335 isn't really much of performance upgrade. It does not stop shorter, handle better or steer any different.

[Torgus]

335, depending on the year, has a massive performance difference when tuned + simple inexpensive mods. Double the hp & tq. Also, better brakes.

As someone who has 6 years combined experience with the FI engine and just under 3 with the NA engine in my wagon I can say without a doubt the 335i is the way to go. Hands down end of discussion. The wagon is a slow boring car compared to 335s. The N54 powered cars put a smile on my face every time i drive them. The e90 is an awesome sleeper with the n54. The bmw NA engines found in the e9x chassis are great for women, children learning to drive, and grand parents. You don't want granny with 450 ft lbs of tq you want her in a slow, low power output, small displacement NA engine same as your child who needs to learn how to drive safely. You don't give them a fun car to drive on purpose unless you want them dead. Fun is a big point, I've never had fun driving the wagon. It's got no balls hence why it is appropriate who drives such an underpowered car.

Anyone who has not owned both really don't know what they are talking about as they are signifigantly biased imo. Especially those with the NA engine as it seems impossible for them to come to understand the difference between the cars. Saying they are basically the same is just asanine.

The best analogy I can think of is the NA engine is like a 4 banger Mustang and the FI engine is like the v8. Both look the same on the outside but one can be made significantly faster.

It should be easy enough to find a local person to let you test drive their tuned 335i. Drive a tuned 335 and then a tuned 328 and make the decision what power plant you want to be stuck with.

Edit: How many 335i owners do you see post that they should have gotten a 328?

Edit #2: Maintenance his been minimal on all the cars. I seriously don't know what everyone complains about. Same with the locals I know, minimal amount spent on maintenance. I also turn my own wrenches. If you can't follow a DIY and you don't like getting corn holed by $100/ hour mechanics than a used out of waranty bmw, let alone a 335i, is not for you.

[dannyhavok]

Originally Posted by Torgus

The bmw NA engines found in the e9x chassis are great for women, children learning to drive, and grand parents.

Why are those who proselytize for the N54 such juvenile douchebags?

[max_330i]

Originally Posted by GMe90

For any of you who go on forums for other cars, how many Audi drivers claim that the A4 is better that the S4, or Porsche drivers who claim that the Carrera is better than the Carrera S, or Mustang drivers who claim that the V6 is better than the GT?

I don't see the logic in this comparison. N52 vs N54/N55 is the same I6 with different turbocharger(s).

A4 is turbo while S4 is supercharged. Carrera and Carrera S are both turbo these days. Mustang V6 vs Mustang GT is a difference of two cylinders. I see your point about 335i being "premium" model but that doesn't line up well with your referenced cars, as the differences in drivetrain between those is very different than in the BMW line up.

It would be a lot more fair to compare/contrast 335i vs M3 if you want to talk A4 vs S4, as the latter is obviously the performance variant in both cases

[Fundguy1]

Ok, jetta vs A4 vs S4 = 328 vs 335 vs M3.

[mynycbimmer]

LMAO

You're all driving cars at least 5 years old, none of which are worth more than a new Civic. Losers.

[dannyhavok]

Originally Posted by mynycbimmer

LMAO

You're all driving cars at least 5 years old, none of which are worth more than a new Civic. Losers.

I don't really think the argument - as stupid as it is - has anything to do with dollar value or who's a baller for choosing X over Y.

[F30lolz]

Bottom line is this:

Buy a 328i and if you look back whenever you park, you've made the right decision. Buy a 335i and if you look back whenever you park, you've made the right decision. Buy a 328i and don't look back whenever you park, you've made the wrong decision. Buy a 335 and if you don't look back whenever you park, well......

[justpete]

Originally Posted by mynycbimmer

LMAO

You're all driving cars at least 5 years old, none of which are worth more than a new Civic. Losers.

Not so! For example mine is worth even less. But it's unfair to sling invective, don't you think? After all, mine cost several times what yours did.

[redline2001]

Originally Posted by mynycbimmer

LMAO

You're all driving cars at least 5 years old, none of which are worth more than a new Civic. Losers.

[MrSteak]

OP clearly cares more about having a nice car than a driver's car... and the nail in the coffin is the automatic. So a 328i is a no-brainer. It's just something nice to sit in and steer.

Now if OP was a "driver", and cared more about speed, handling, performance, and the feel of controlling a vehicle.... then a slightly older 335i would make sense (but ONLY if it were a manual).

[justpete]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

OP clearly cares more about having a nice car than a driver's car... and the nail in the coffin is the automatic. So a 328i is a no-brainer. It's just something nice to sit in and steer.

Now if OP was a "driver", and cared more about speed, handling, performance, and the feel of controlling a vehicle.... then a slightly older 335i would make sense (but ONLY if it were a manual).

dingdingdingding we have a winner!

[Longdoggy]

Originally Posted by mynycbimmer

LMAO

You're all driving cars at least 5 years old, none of which are worth more than a new Civic. Losers.

A 2016 civic is still pretty lame. I won't be caught dead driving a Honda.

I've got a distant relative who wore this shirt to his wedding (he's a Harley guy and former hells angels) that said; "I'd rather my sister in a whore house than my brother on a Honda". Yea, Honda sucks.