[kenneth]

Originally Posted by Tonybest

Ken, time for you to organize our next brunch.

You are right, stay tuned. I had been thinking about it recently!

Now that the January crunch has passed, I have a bit of breathing room.

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A fully optioned out M4 comes out at over $105k

Yup, that's completely ridiculous to be honest. I'd be curious to see just how much worse a CLA45 is on the track...... wait, comparing to the M3, not M4. 105K is absolutely insane for an M4. That's...... GTR territory.

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A fully optioned out M4 comes out at over $105k

Well looks like close to +40% of the base price

That's lots of dough in options, actually the price of a brand new GTI

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

Yup, that's completely ridiculous to be honest. I'd be curious to see just how much worse a CLA45 is on the track...... wait, comparing to the M3, not M4. 105K is absolutely insane for an M4. That's...... GTR territory.

The CLA 45 AMG can pass the 65k mark I think. Yes $66,350 !!! Golf R for 45k sounds like a bargain!

I might get the Mark VII 2015 GTI for around 35k

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by kenneth

The CLA 45 AMG can pass the 65k mark I think

The way I configured it (which was basically every possible option, including the seats), it was 65K, which is entirely reasonable. Remains to be seen how it behaves, though.

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by kenneth

You are right, stay tuned. I had been thinking about it recently!

Now that the January crunch has passed, I have a bit of breathing room.

Sunday February 23 looks open for me, no soccer, so brunch would indeed be perfect for everyone, even the late risers

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

The way I configured it (which was basically every possible option, including the seats), it was 65K, which is entirely reasonable. Remains to be seen how it behaves, though.

Originally Posted by kenneth

The CLA 45 AMG can pass the 65k mark I think. Yes $66,350 !!! Golf R for 45k sounds like a bargain!

I might get the Mark VII 2015 GTI for around 35k

Dude are you out of your mind? For that price we can buy a Z51 stingray .....

Which you can consider an exotic!

[kenneth]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/calend...day=2014-02-23

[catherineanh]

Originally Posted by kenneth

http://www.e90post.com/forums/calend...day=2014-02-23

weeeee! excited!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by kenneth

Well looks like close to +40% of the base price

That's lots of dough in options, actually the price of a brand new GTI

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

Yup, that's completely ridiculous to be honest. I'd be curious to see just how much worse a CLA45 is on the track...... wait, comparing to the M3, not M4. 105K is absolutely insane for an M4. That's...... GTR territory.

An M3 is only $1000 less than an M4 at base price. Further, there are more options on the M3 so a loaded M3 will be about the same as a loaded M4.

It is important to keep in mind that you can get a base M3 for $74k and that it has has quite a lot of standard items included. There ar a lot of frivolous options like the CCB at $8500, the executive package at $9500 and the tech package at $1500 that increase the price significantly.

It is not really fare to compare a loaded m4 to a base GTR. If you spice up a GTR, you can easily get to $150k...

I don't think that the CLA45 and M3 are in the same league at all. Most reviews compare the CLA45 with the M135 and M235. The CLA is based on a FWD platform and undesteers like hell according to the reviews I have seen, not the best track tool IMO.

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

An M3 is only $1000 less than an M4 at base price. Further, there are more options on the M3 so a loaded M3 will be about the same as a loaded M4.

It is important to keep in mind that you can get a base M3 for $74k and that it has has quite a lot of standard items included. There ar a lot of frivolous options like the CCB at $8500, the executive package at $9500 and the tech package at $1500 that increase the price significantly.

It is not really fare to compare a loaded m4 to a base GTR. If you spice up a GTR, you can easily get to $150k...

I don't think that the CLA45 and M3 are in the same league at all. Most reviews compare the CLA45 with the M135 and M235. The CLA is based on a FWD platform and undesteers like hell according to the reviews I have seen, not the best track tool IMO.

I agree, I was out of line comparing the CLA to an M3 - it's definitely not in the same league, but I would argue that, absent a track application, it should provide a similar level of enjoyment to an average driver. However! Your point about a FWD platform is an important one, my bad - I didn't know that. That's unfortunate. I guess seeing as Benzes aren't IKEA cars like VWs, it's unlikely someone will develop an AWD controller that modifies the torque allocation bias

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

I agree, I was out of line comparing the CLA to an M3 - it's definitely not in the same league, but I would argue that, absent a track application, it should provide a similar level of enjoyment to an average driver. However! Your point about a FWD platform is an important one, my bad - I didn't know that. That's unfortunate. I guess seeing as Benzes aren't IKEA cars like VWs, it's unlikely someone will develop an AWD controller that modifies the torque allocation bias

Agreed.

It is the track junky in me that often takes over

[Nikos335i]

Originally Posted by kenneth

http://www.e90post.com/forums/calend...day=2014-02-23

Ok I'm a maybe for now will update accordingly!

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by Nikos335i

Ok I'm a maybe for now will update accordingly!

Come on Nick, make a little effort, we rarely hold these meets, it could be the last one for a long time....

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by kenneth

http://www.e90post.com/forums/calend...day=2014-02-23

Location:

Bistro du marché central !!!!

[M3 Montreal]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A fully optioned out M4 comes out at over $105k

Wow...

My 2013 was only missing extended leather and it came out at 87k plus tax.

I'm not counting individual paint of course but if the new M4 is at 105 that's a huge increase.

[M3 Montreal]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

An M3 is only $1000 less than an M4 at base price. Further, there are more options on the M3 so a loaded M3 will be about the same as a loaded M4.

It is important to keep in mind that you can get a base M3 for $74k and that it has has quite a lot of standard items included. There ar a lot of frivolous options like the CCB at $8500, the executive package at $9500 and the tech package at $1500 that increase the price significantly.

It is not really fare to compare a loaded m4 to a base GTR. If you spice up a GTR, you can easily get to $150k...

I don't think that the CLA45 and M3 are in the same league at all. Most reviews compare the CLA45 with the M135 and M235. The CLA is based on a FWD platform and undesteers like hell according to the reviews I have seen, not the best track tool IMO.

Actually the GTR doesn't have many options.

When my friend bought his a couple years ago the only option was that one of the paint colors was 3k more.

I realize they make track editions and other editions but those are not available here.

A gtr is pretty much 105k k last time I checked.

[Basir]

Hey guys a question about getting my 2007 328i inspected. I should be getting it this week conditional on inspection. Its KM are a little high at almost 170k, but I read up on here that the car is extremely reliable.

The guy I'm getting it from often sells cars and gets them inspected from an SAAQ approved Madza dealership inspection. Do you think thats a good idea? Or should I go somewhere that specializes in Bimmers, like BM Service?

The car drives perfect and smooth and we can get a good deal and an immediate appointment at the Mazda. Anyone know how much places like BM Service charge? And whether they would have immediate openings? I guess I'll call tomorrow, but wondering if anyone knows.

I figured since its a Mazda and an SAAQ approved inspection centre, I can always go after them if they miss something glaring.

[Pseudo Nim]

This is a good question. The Mazda place can probably examine for structural damage and general things, but will they know about BMW-specific quirks? Not sure - and also not sure if it matters. If it were a 335, I'd tell you what to look for, but I'm not sure what the 328s went through. Maybe worth pulling the service bulletins to see what work should have been done on the car vs the maintenance records to see what was actually done?

[Basir]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

This is a good question. The Mazda place can probably examine for structural damage and general things, but will they know about BMW-specific quirks? Not sure - and also not sure if it matters. If it were a 335, I'd tell you what to look for, but I'm not sure what the 328s went through. Maybe worth pulling the service bulletins to see what work should have been done on the car vs the maintenance records to see what was actually done?

So I ended up going to BM Service. This guy (Norbert) really knows what he's doing. And he only charged $80. He even used a stethoscope to listen for wheel warp! He's a real car doctor!

So we found the usual: water pump would have to be changed soon (170k and original pump) and some gasket leaks.

I'm contemplating changing the water pump now for ~$900 or stick with "don't fix what ain't broke" and wait until it dies on me in the middle of nowhere.

I've been reading a lot about when people's water pumps go and it really varies from 80k to more than 200k. And there's no real way of checking if all is well.

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by Basir

So I ended up going to BM Service. This guy (Norbert) really knows what he's doing. And he only charged $80. He even used a stethoscope to listen for wheel warp! He's a real car doctor!

So we found the usual: water pump would have to be changed soon (170k and original pump) and some gasket leaks.

I'm contemplating changing the water pump now for ~$900 or stick with "don't fix what ain't broke" and wait until it dies on me in the middle of nowhere.

I've been reading a lot about when people's water pumps go and it really varies from 80k to more than 200k. And there's no real way of checking if all is well.

Good, glad you picked a competent dude (and more importantly, glad he found nothing special!).

My water pump on my 335 failed at around 60K (but, so did my intercooler piping, my front differential, my wastegates, my boost accumulators, my .... oh boy, the list goes on, so I'm probably not the best example). It's cool how the car refuses to go more than 4 km/h in this case, though. Happened on the highway with me, fortunately not far from home, so had to limp back and get towed for warranty.

I'd say if it ain't broken, let it run, but be prepared for it (not sure how you CAN be, but hopefully if it blows, it does so in a controlled situation). The problem with replacing parts that MIGHT break is that there's never any end to it, so why even bother. Hell, how the hell could I know my front right AXLE would snap in two at one point

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

Actually the GTR doesn't have many options.

When my friend bought his a couple years ago the only option was that one of the paint colors was 3k more.

I realize they make track editions and other editions but those are not available here.

A gtr is pretty much 105k k last time I checked.

The "Black Edition" goes for $119k, the "Premium" with paint and special leather goes for $116k. IIRC, special options can be ordered through the dealer.

I was probably on the high side when I guestimated $150k, but a GTR remains much more expensive than an M3/M4.