Wagner Tuning 335d Intercooler Kit Ready to Ship?

335dFan · 03-17-2013, 09:15 AM

Will be interesting to see how our lower revving diesels' curves will compare to the N54 gassers, and what that will mean for daily driving versus track experience, and at what RPM, etc.

Maybe this will require its own thread?

crazyinp · 03-17-2013, 09:46 AM

Cssnms, I emailed them as well. Btw I have been looking at 335i and 335d intercoolers, and those look so similar. Top 335d, bottom 335i

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-18-2013, 05:16 PM

great article from CPE unfortunately no "D" IC from them , DD thanks for posting the Video I sent you from CARSTEN hopefully we will get the DROP pressures so we can with RENNtech and JBD get more ponies out of our programs!!!

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-18-2013, 05:17 PM

DD post the IC pics I sent you ok!!

DieselDiner · 03-18-2013, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

DD post the IC pics I sent you ok!!

Which ones? I haven't gotten any lately?

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-18-2013, 06:35 PM

Damn it Sprint!! Can't seem t o send out f me

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-20-2013, 07:58 AM

i sent them to your email

DieselDiner · 03-20-2013, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

i sent them to your email

Here they are:

InterlagosRob · 03-21-2013, 09:53 AM

I'm jumping in on this thread guys. I'm heading down to RENNTech for a reflash in the next couple months and would like to entertain the idea of an intercooler upgrade as well. CP-E hopefully will do some homework on the D cooler since it looks like the differences are extremely minor making the R&D for a D specific core pretty straight forward.

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-21-2013, 12:45 PM

There's a guy from Atlanta that did his yesterday or before and clocked 306 whp and 445 lbs/torque

DSB335d · 03-21-2013, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

There's a guy from Atlanta that did his yesterday or before and clocked 306 whp and 445 lbs/torque

Tune + Wagner IC? Please elaborate.

GreekboyD · 03-22-2013, 04:51 AM

DD, what is your email? I have some graphs that I'd like for you to post from Carsten. I don't have time to upload them this morning as I'm taking my car to get the suspension work done on it. This is what Carsten e-mailed me, minus the graphs:

Quote:

Hello John,

Attached you will find the Flow Comparison OEM vs. our 335d IC, based on
Pressure drop.

The test run was made with a SF-1020. We used Port Flow Analyzer 3.5 as
Software.
The Software works that way:

We have to set like 8 different target Pressure points, in that case inch
per Water. We actually converted these to PSI on the Sheet.

The Graphs also includes the Pressure drop that the Piping and the adapter
is building up.

Please note, this is the flow of the full cooler, not just the core!

The Main restriction is caused due the in and outlets. I have also attached
a CFM Flow analyses, there you can see the bottleneck.

We have seen claims from some of our competition in the past with a Pressure
drop of 0.5psi at 600-1000cfm. Something like that is just not possible,
even not if the core is fully empty.

Our goal is always to have 10-15% less Pressure drop then the OEM Unit. On
some coolers, like our Porsche intercoolers we have the same Pressure drop
as the OEM unit, but we reach 20Ã‚Â° less IAT.

I hope that helps a little bit...

mit freundlichen GrÃƒÂ¼ÃƒÂŸen / best Regards

Carsten Wagner

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-22-2013, 05:13 AM

Cool DD or Greek send me that info relay it to lenny @ RENNtech. I'm on my way home from Florida to the island ok

tekaefixe · 03-22-2013, 05:23 AM

Ahhh screw itn ive just ordered mine!

By the way this is my dino without DPF and catalitic converter :

DieselDiner · 03-22-2013, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekboyD

I have some graphs that I'd like for you to post from Carsten. I don't have time to upload them this morning as I'm taking my car to get the suspension work done on it. This is what Carsten e-mailed me, minus the graphs:

"Hello John,

Attached you will find the Flow Comparison OEM vs. our 335d IC, based on
Pressure drop.

The test run was made with a SF-1020. We used Port Flow Analyzer 3.5 as
Software.
The Software works that way:

We have to set like 8 different target Pressure points, in that case inch
per Water. We actually converted these to PSI on the Sheet.

The Graphs also includes the Pressure drop that the Piping and the adapter
is building up.

Please note, this is the flow of the full cooler, not just the core!

The Main restriction is caused due the in and outlets. I have also attached
a CFM Flow analyses, there you can see the bottleneck.

We have seen claims from some of our competition in the past with a Pressure
drop of 0.5psi at 600-1000cfm. Something like that is just not possible,
even not if the core is fully empty.

Our goal is always to have 10-15% less Pressure drop then the OEM Unit. On
some coolers, like our Porsche intercoolers we have the same Pressure drop
as the OEM unit, but we reach 20Ã‚Â° less IAT.

I hope that helps a little bit...

mit freundlichen GrÃƒÂ¼ÃƒÂŸen / best Regards

Carsten Wagner"

Here are the graphs:

GreekboyD · 03-22-2013, 09:07 AM

Thanks DD! I'll wait for the experts to chime in but major props to Carsten for answering every email professionally even though he's crazy busy.

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-23-2013, 06:42 AM

Lenny has the graphs and is going to reprogram thhe flash according to the ic

DieselDiner · 03-23-2013, 07:04 AM

Here's a little analysis from elsewhere:

Quote:

What that graph is showing is for a given pressure drop, the Wagner intercooler flows more than stock. In other words, for a given flow rate, the Wagner intercooler has less of a pressure drop. For example, at 280 CFM, the Wagner intercooler has a pressure drop of 1.44 PSI while the OEM inter cooler has a pressure drop of 1.8, 25% more than the Wagner.

hrc630 · 03-23-2013, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DieselDiner

Here's a little analysis from elsewhere:

Its more like 2% of différence ...
1.44/26.3 psi = 5% of drop and 1.8/26.3 psi = 7%....

2% is very small....

What is the drop of the IAT ?

DieselDiner · 03-23-2013, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrc630

Its more like 2% of différence ...
1.44/26.3 psi = 5% of drop and 1.8/26.3 psi = 7%....

2% is very small....

Wrong. The quote has it correct, which is comparing the pressure loss for the 2 i/c's at the same flow rate, thus the comparison is valid. I'm not sure what you're computing.

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-25-2013, 07:46 AM

@ DSB335d sorry i did not post correctly as far as I am concerned it was only a TUNE do not know if IC was there but Lenny would of told me this before hand so its suffice to say that no aftermarket IC was in use!!

LeMansBlau · 03-25-2013, 08:27 AM

Anyone tried to put these 335i or 335d wagners to 535d?

I know that it should fit there somehow, but since it's bolt-on kit with bolt-on prize it should be quite easy fitment or there is no point to ordered bolt-on kit.
It's sad that there is not bigger ic's to 535d on the market.

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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	great article from CPE unfortunately no "D" IC from them , DD thanks for posting the Video I sent you from CARSTEN hopefully we will get the DROP pressures so we can with RENNtech and JBD get more ponies out of our programs!!! __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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