Will F30 suffer HFPF fail?

Neph · 12-18-2011, 08:02 PM

was wondering if this has been corrected? non-issue?

thanks

graphite · 12-18-2011, 09:26 PM

Highly doubt it. They're not going to be using pumps they know are bad... They've replaced existing pumps with new ones, so I'm sure those or something redesigned will be used in the F30.

If there were to be HPFP issues, I doubt they'd be related to previous ones since they wouldn't use a pump they already knew would go bad.

fdriller9 · 12-18-2011, 09:35 PM

Only time will tell.....

1000klr · 12-18-2011, 09:36 PM

my money says they will fail...BMW=FAIL

mofbb · 12-18-2011, 09:50 PM

Are they using N55 on F30 335i ? If yes, there will be HPFP failure.

John 070 · 12-18-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mofbb

Are they using N55 on F30 335i ? If yes, there will be HPFP failure.

imho new car, should be new motor. The competition is notorious for coming out with a new generation of car, then using a leftover motor from the last gen. Should be a N56.5 with 8 catalytic converters and 4 turbos and 100% reliable. j/k just looking at the website and the way they are packaging the vehicles, it feels like a lot of what used to be a part of the BMW heritage is consistently eroding. The only thing for sure is the high price tag.

jpirelli · 12-18-2011, 10:32 PM

It's N55, no?

TheStigsTwin · 12-18-2011, 11:07 PM

Of course. The real question is: will they fail more often than expected.

electro-house · 12-19-2011, 01:06 AM

You'd have to figure the body style isn't going to help the HPFP issues much. It's crazy to think the problems could go through two generation cycles of the 3 series, but that's probably the reality. By then I expect it to be a minor issue, but there.

RaceBlood · 12-19-2011, 06:38 AM

The 335 motor is in a lot of models worldwide, so the issues must not be so bad...

I thought the new 3 has a 4cyl turbo in it?

cptcrunch · 12-19-2011, 07:40 AM

Yes, since the new engines will all require HPFPs. I doubt they have change the design that much for the new 4cyclinder engine. Our ethanol usage has been to blame (not sure if rightfully so) on HPFP failures here.

335e92tx · 12-19-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RaceBlood

The 335 motor is in a lot of models worldwide, so the issues must not be so bad...

I thought the new 3 has a 4cyl turbo in it?

That is the base engine that replaces the N52. N55s will still be standard in 335s.

Iv got 14K miles on the car since the last redesign of the pump that was replaced in Nov2010. No probs. And that I have seen, thats basically the same for most others that got a pump replaced in the 4th quarter of 2010 when the pump was released.

Potty_Pants · 12-19-2011, 08:43 AM

imo = reduced failures... still more then normal...

Kolyan2k · 12-19-2011, 08:45 AM

i hope so.....this forum will die otherwise

hpfp feature was made by BMW to bring the community together, and to establish warm relationship with your SA

flip4335 · 12-19-2011, 08:58 AM

Whoa...much ado about nothing...it hasn't even hit the showroom floors, yet.

I wonder if there is the same negativity in the MB forum about their turbocharged, or should I say turbocharred engines?

Lots of manufacturers are going down that road...

Folks, if the HPFP fails but replacement is free, what's the issue, other than having to take time off from work to take it to the dealer...who gives you a free loaner (at least, mine does)...while they replace it under warranty?

I say, go play with the loaner while you have it, saving wear and tear and mileage on your own ride, while it's in the shop...hahaha

Neph · 12-19-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by julyaric720

I think that's awesome. Makes me feel layered. Like some sort of epic lasagna

hahaha

will try to recall that if I ever get a f30 w/ a HPFP fail.

ragingclue · 12-19-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Potty_Pants

imo = reduced failures... still more then normal...

Yeah as far as I can tell, it's just the old N55 in a new body.

That being said, the N55 does still have failures, but they seem to be at a very reduced rate as compared to early N54s. They still fail, but not at the hilarious rate that they used to.

ndog14 · 12-19-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ragingclue

Yeah as far as I can tell, it's just the old N55 in a new body.

That being said, the N55 does still have failures, but they seem to be at a very reduced rate as compared to early N54s. They still fail, but not at the hilarious rate that they used to.

+1

And I suspect the N20 may have failures but that is because I don't trust BMWs with turbos, the 2002 Turbo, the N54, the N55. I wish they would stick to NAs but times are different, adapt to survive (make bank). BMW will do what they have to to keep profits, and if that means actually fixing the HPFP because previously the N54 and N55 are commonly bought by performance junkies that can forget the issue when the car is fixed and doing 40% more than the speed limit. If the general public is plagued by HPFP failures in the N20 then they actually will fix it.

The Wildcard · 12-21-2011, 02:53 AM

I think the HPFP will be fine. But I am sure there will be another new problem for the first year models of the F30. Always inevitable with the first 1-2 years of a design cycle.

Dozhdbog · 12-21-2011, 04:13 AM

Er, I thought the hpfp was known to fail in the n54 335s, not the n55's.

Dark_Knight_335 · 12-21-2011, 04:29 AM

Wonder if the N20 will have the same issue..

John 070 · 12-21-2011, 05:14 AM

I think BMW is trying very hard to be more profitable. If they can sell a 4 cyl. to Americans and the vehicle still approaches 50k, they will rest assured there's almost nothing they can do. Legendary I6, bye-bye! LOL

Life is not all about numbers, isn't that what 323/325/328 owners and BMW have been saying for decades? Even though the HP is lower and the torque is very low, it's still a well-balanced inline 6. That notion is shot by a turbo 4, which is inherently imbalanced.

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TheStigsTwin Captain 11 Rep 964 Posts Drives: 2011 335xi Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Arizona iTrader: (0)	Of course. The real question is: will they fail more often than expected.
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electro-house Lieutenant 24 Rep 533 Posts Drives: 2008 335i coupe Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Phoenix iTrader: (0)	You'd have to figure the body style isn't going to help the HPFP issues much. It's crazy to think the problems could go through two generation cycles of the 3 series, but that's probably the reality. By then I expect it to be a minor issue, but there.
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RaceBlood Going nowhere fast. 56 Rep 2,243 Posts Drives: 2 wheels Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Downtown iTrader: (0)	The 335 motor is in a lot of models worldwide, so the issues must not be so bad... I thought the new 3 has a 4cyl turbo in it?
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cptcrunch Captain Crunch 168 Rep 548 Posts Drives: 2016 340i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cincinnati iTrader: (0)	Yes, since the new engines will all require HPFPs. I doubt they have change the design that much for the new 4cyclinder engine. Our ethanol usage has been to blame (not sure if rightfully so) on HPFP failures here. __________________ On Order (in transit): BMW iX 50, Oxide Grey Retired: BMW Welt Delivery 4/14/16: European Delivery - 2016 340i EBII/Saddle - ZMP \| ZCW \| ZDA \| ZLP \| ZTP \| M Adaptive \| Rear Shades \| MPPSK Before and After Dyno Retired: 2011 335D Space Grey/Black - ZSP \| ZPP \| ZCW \| 6FL \| Sat Radio \| Nav \| $600 Base Audio Upgrade
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Kolyan2k Major General 922 Rep 5,538 Posts Drives: 2006 S2000 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boston iTrader: (1)	i hope so.....this forum will die otherwise hpfp feature was made by BMW to bring the community together, and to establish warm relationship with your SA
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The Wildcard Private 0 Rep 97 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: California iTrader: (0)	I think the HPFP will be fine. But I am sure there will be another new problem for the first year models of the F30. Always inevitable with the first 1-2 years of a design cycle.
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Dozhdbog Lieutenant Colonel 86 Rep 1,849 Posts Drives: 2011 335i Sedan Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hollywood iTrader: (0)	Er, I thought the hpfp was known to fail in the n54 335s, not the n55's.
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John 070 Lieutenant General 1705 Rep 14,829 Posts Drives: 335i cpe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ZSP/ZPP/ZCW iTrader: (0)	I think BMW is trying very hard to be more profitable. If they can sell a 4 cyl. to Americans and the vehicle still approaches 50k, they will rest assured there's almost nothing they can do. Legendary I6, bye-bye! LOL Life is not all about numbers, isn't that what 323/325/328 owners and BMW have been saying for decades? Even though the HP is lower and the torque is very low, it's still a well-balanced inline 6. That notion is shot by a turbo 4, which is inherently imbalanced.
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