Restoring my headlights

Surly73 · 07-17-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bb103

3M works best never had to use it on my bmw but my older cars i've used it on all of them. I was really surprised how good they came out for $20 total for 2 cars.

The point is that there's a million ways to get them to "come out" looking good. They need to STAY that way for years without yellowing or fogging because there is insufficient UV stabilization.

A few different grits of wet sanding and they'll look great - that's not the part I was concerned about.

Unfortunately, the true 2-part hardcoats I've found are higher quantities than I'd like. They can treat 40 pairs of lights, I only need <5 pairs. Perhaps I just need to run a little business on the side for a couple of months...

tofu- · 07-18-2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tdot328Xi

I had similar problem with my e90. based on other reviews and suggestions i used 3m restoration kit and here are the results

before...

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you actually left A LOT of sanding marks...

tdot328Xi · 07-18-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tofu-

you actually left A LOT of sanding marks...

yah, i noticed them later on. i will have to fine sand them this weekend....

Surly73 · 07-26-2012, 02:20 PM

I still have not ordered my replacement hard coat for a variety of reasons, but I did have some time alone yesterday where I could remove the lights from the car (with overlapping purpose - I also want to see why they shake around in the body so much) and wet sand them.

I started with the foglights which actually looked like they turned out OK. I'm not "done" because I'm not completely pleased with the results on the headlights, however, but here's some things I observed yesterday.

1/ it's easier to work with the headlights out of the car

2/ For most of the lights I used 600, 1000, 2000 grit papers followed by a variety of liquid compounds/polishes. On the last light I did something more like 320-600-800-1000-2000 to see if there was any improvement (there wasn't, but the 320 worked quicker to level the major defects).

3/ The factory hardcoat is actually quite thick. There were some cases where over the entire surface of the light I had leveled out most defects and only a dime or quarter sized area of the hardcoat was fully removed.

4/ None of the articles I've read have mentioned it, but I'm suspecting that you probably need to be sure to remove all of the coating if you're going to go through it anywhere. I can really see a difference in the plastic where the coating is fully gone and where it's not. Of course this may not be a factor if I had my topcoat on there. On the other hand it might be because I doubt it's identical to the factory top coat so it might still look somewhat different.

5/ 2000 grit was the finest paper I had on hand, and the finest I saw on most store shelves. For some reason, I couldn't remove 2000 grit marks even with Menzerna SI 1500 (super intensive polish) and a pad on a drill (improvised rotary). This surprised me. I tried Menzerna SI 1500, PG 2500, SF4000 and Menzerna metal/plastic polish by hand and machine and the 2000 grit scratches remained to some extent. I did manage to find some 3000 grit paper (which seems like almost ordinary paper) and I'll get back to it. I found that Meguiar's plastic polish (#10) contains enough glazes to fill it in and look "OK". To most people it probably looks world's better than the sand and rock blasted condition they were previously. To me, a sorta detailer, sanding marks look worse.

6/ I lubricated with Optimum no rinse wash mixed to 'clay lube' ratio

7/ I found my 3M paper degraded faster than expected considering it was used on plastic. I needed multiple pieces to complete each step because it became ineffective. I was rinsing the paper out so I don't think it was simply clogged.

8/ I used a "cross hatch" method, alternating lengthwise and up/down sanding as I moved between each grade of paper instead of rubbing in circles. In theory I thought this would help (use the paper until you see no trace of lines in the perpendicular) but...

So, the biggest lessons may be:

1/ if you compromise the coating anywhere, make sure you remove all of it. It's obvious looking at the lens if this is happening.

2/ 2000 grit marks seem harder to remove from this plastic than I think they should have been.

Volasko · 11-22-2012, 08:16 PM

I am in the EXACT same boat as you, did you end up getting a UV spray coat or just wrapped it? Let me know how it turned out.

I sent you a PM too!

veekz · 11-29-2012, 06:37 AM

UV Sealer-Helmsman Spar Urethane by minwax. I had the same problems with my E90 being pitted, and yellow. I wetsanded, polished and added some sealant + wax. It looked good for a week or two then started yellowing again thanks to the insane sun in Hawaii.

Redid my headlights again and added the Urethane as directed in this link: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...lant-idea.html. Looks brand new! Its UV protected and has a new coat of clear over the headlights! I highly recommend it, not very difficult to apply if you follow directions very precisely.

If you follow the other thread on the linked site, it shows Urethane VS opticoat and the urethane wins!.

Surly73 · 12-06-2012, 07:46 AM

Update:

For a variety of personal reasons I never had the time to follow this through.

I was unhappy with some left over pitting (didn't get aggressive enough at the coarse end) and 2000 grit was not fine enough. I've purchased some 3000 grit paper. I have not done any kind of UV topcoat yet and the lights are 95%+ better than when I started. They just aren't perfect enough yet to coat and apply film and consider them "done for life". They are certainly more than good enough that they do not stand out as an eyesore on an otherwise well detailed car.

There has been no yellowing or degradation since July, though my car spends a lot of its life in the garage. It's pretty much winter now and it's just going to have to wait.

SHEEDI · 12-17-2012, 08:59 PM

I see rock chips everywhere on front bumper and hood, the whole car needs good detail.

zort · 08-19-2015, 04:11 PM

That's it I am sold going to pickup up the kit today

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdot328Xi

I had similar problem with my e90. based on other reviews and suggestions i used 3m restoration kit and here are the results

before...

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after....
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07-26-2012, 02:20 PM	#26
Surly73 Lieutenant Colonel 535 Rep 1,873 Posts Drives: '11 535xi 8AT KWv3 MPE MHD xHP Join Date: May 2012 Location: Oakville, Ontario iTrader: (1)	I still have not ordered my replacement hard coat for a variety of reasons, but I did have some time alone yesterday where I could remove the lights from the car (with overlapping purpose - I also want to see why they shake around in the body so much) and wet sand them. I started with the foglights which actually looked like they turned out OK. I'm not "done" because I'm not completely pleased with the results on the headlights, however, but here's some things I observed yesterday. 1/ it's easier to work with the headlights out of the car 2/ For most of the lights I used 600, 1000, 2000 grit papers followed by a variety of liquid compounds/polishes. On the last light I did something more like 320-600-800-1000-2000 to see if there was any improvement (there wasn't, but the 320 worked quicker to level the major defects). 3/ The factory hardcoat is actually quite thick. There were some cases where over the entire surface of the light I had leveled out most defects and only a dime or quarter sized area of the hardcoat was fully removed. 4/ None of the articles I've read have mentioned it, but I'm suspecting that you probably need to be sure to remove all of the coating if you're going to go through it anywhere. I can really see a difference in the plastic where the coating is fully gone and where it's not. Of course this may not be a factor if I had my topcoat on there. On the other hand it might be because I doubt it's identical to the factory top coat so it might still look somewhat different. 5/ 2000 grit was the finest paper I had on hand, and the finest I saw on most store shelves. For some reason, I couldn't remove 2000 grit marks even with Menzerna SI 1500 (super intensive polish) and a pad on a drill (improvised rotary). This surprised me. I tried Menzerna SI 1500, PG 2500, SF4000 and Menzerna metal/plastic polish by hand and machine and the 2000 grit scratches remained to some extent. I did manage to find some 3000 grit paper (which seems like almost ordinary paper) and I'll get back to it. I found that Meguiar's plastic polish (#10) contains enough glazes to fill it in and look "OK". To most people it probably looks world's better than the sand and rock blasted condition they were previously. To me, a sorta detailer, sanding marks look worse. 6/ I lubricated with Optimum no rinse wash mixed to 'clay lube' ratio 7/ I found my 3M paper degraded faster than expected considering it was used on plastic. I needed multiple pieces to complete each step because it became ineffective. I was rinsing the paper out so I don't think it was simply clogged. 8/ I used a "cross hatch" method, alternating lengthwise and up/down sanding as I moved between each grade of paper instead of rubbing in circles. In theory I thought this would help (use the paper until you see no trace of lines in the perpendicular) but... So, the biggest lessons may be: 1/ if you compromise the coating anywhere, make sure you remove all of it. It's obvious looking at the lens if this is happening. 2/ 2000 grit marks seem harder to remove from this plastic than I think they should have been.
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11-22-2012, 08:16 PM	#27
Volasko Colonel 705 Rep 2,605 Posts Drives: 06 330i E90, 18 530xe G30 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Toronto iTrader: (2) Garage List 2018 BMW 530e M Sport [9.00] 2006 BMW E90 330i [8.28]	I am in the EXACT same boat as you, did you end up getting a UV spray coat or just wrapped it? Let me know how it turned out. I sent you a PM too!
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11-29-2012, 06:37 AM	#28
veekz n00b 0 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Hawaii iTrader: (2)	UV Sealer-Helmsman Spar Urethane by minwax. I had the same problems with my E90 being pitted, and yellow. I wetsanded, polished and added some sealant + wax. It looked good for a week or two then started yellowing again thanks to the insane sun in Hawaii. Redid my headlights again and added the Urethane as directed in this link: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...lant-idea.html. Looks brand new! Its UV protected and has a new coat of clear over the headlights! I highly recommend it, not very difficult to apply if you follow directions very precisely. If you follow the other thread on the linked site, it shows Urethane VS opticoat and the urethane wins!.
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12-06-2012, 07:46 AM	#29
Surly73 Lieutenant Colonel 535 Rep 1,873 Posts Drives: '11 535xi 8AT KWv3 MPE MHD xHP Join Date: May 2012 Location: Oakville, Ontario iTrader: (1)	Update: For a variety of personal reasons I never had the time to follow this through. I was unhappy with some left over pitting (didn't get aggressive enough at the coarse end) and 2000 grit was not fine enough. I've purchased some 3000 grit paper. I have not done any kind of UV topcoat yet and the lights are 95%+ better than when I started. They just aren't perfect enough yet to coat and apply film and consider them "done for life". They are certainly more than good enough that they do not stand out as an eyesore on an otherwise well detailed car. There has been no yellowing or degradation since July, though my car spends a lot of its life in the garage. It's pretty much winter now and it's just going to have to wait.
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12-17-2012, 08:59 PM	#30
SHEEDI Banned 601 Rep 2,703 Posts Drives: 2009 335i - Sport PKG Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335i [8.50]	I see rock chips everywhere on front bumper and hood, the whole car needs good detail.
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