[tibra1]

Originally Posted by JBax

Let's not forget PLM has that giant dent in the side of the pipe. It looks like sh*t and has to degrade performance to an extent. No other 3" pipes that I've seen have this same dent in order to clear the other pipe. No thanks.

AA for less than $600 shipped from burger motorsports is the way to go for brand new 3" pipes IMO.

Here is the PLM..looks like the bash people over the head w the pipe as part of their product testing

Restriction and turbulence created right at the turbo..nice

[bulldog_yyc]

its funny because the "extra money" you spend on a set of quality downpipes is easily justifiable if you consider the amount of time and money that will be wasted on trying to install and eventually return a set of low quality ones. If you have time on your hands and want to play around with various parts that may or may not have a chance of fitting in order to save a couple hundred bucks, have fun.

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

Read his sig before you bash me dude...he has AR's, which you neglected to give the price for. As for PLM's, from what I have heard, they are good quality pipes. You don't see me knocking those do you? Try next time.

I read his sig... doesn't change the fact that you can get used AR's for 500 dollars on the FS forums, which work nicely into my comment.

As far as reading the thread goes, I have several comments on every single page, including the first comment of the entire thread. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read my comments.

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Every time there is thread with Racelands in the title is turns into this crap. Bascially everyone else tells the people with RL's that their pipes are, I hesitate to use the word garbage, they proceed to get offended and then pull the "he's mad b/c he spend 1.7 million on pipes that fit.. look how stupid he is." So by the end of the thread all that is clear is that we are all juveniles.

Moral of the story:

Raceland = crap, end of story
PLM = better value, great price, marginal fitment, good gains
Used DP = good value, good price, better fitment, good gains
Used AA/AR/MS = best value, modest price, perfect fitment, best gains
New AA/AR/MS = fair value, highest price, perfect fitment, best gains

[Willie.D20]

alright so after reading all the replies and debates between people i have come to the conclusion. im gonna go for a set of AA dp's used or new if i can get in on a GB. whoever said its like would you take your date to McD's or rather a nice resturant. my girl would give me no play if i took her to mcd's so i bet my car would think the same

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by Willie.D20

alright so after reading all the replies and debates between people i have come to the conclusion. im gonna go for a set of AA dp's used or new if i can get in on a GB. whoever said its like would you take your date to McD's or rather a nice resturant. my girl would give me no play if i took her to mcd's so i bet my car would think the same

Good call

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by Willie.D20

alright so after reading all the replies and debates between people i have come to the conclusion. im gonna go for a set of AA dp's used or new if i can get in on a GB. whoever said its like would you take your date to McD's or rather a nice resturant. my girl would give me no play if i took her to mcd's so i bet my car would think the same

Mmmm... McDonalds

[JBax]

Originally Posted by Willie.D20

alright so after reading all the replies and debates between people i have come to the conclusion. im gonna go for a set of AA dp's used or new if i can get in on a GB. whoever said its like would you take your date to McD's or rather a nice resturant. my girl would give me no play if i took her to mcd's so i bet my car would think the same

Look on the burger motorsports site..he has the AA brand new for $579 if you don't want to wait on the GB...

http://www.burgertuning.com/Active_A...downpipes.html

[geterdone]

Tibra1 and M3THOD really do hate something they have never tried. I am doing research like crazy since I just bought my 335i. So far the Raceland's seem to be the way to go if you are looking to not spend much, also remember that many people have paid 20k-30k for their i's and are probably in a much different income bracket then someone who purchased a new i for 45k-55k. Everybody that actually has the Racelands for the most part have praised the fitment and quality. Everybody that knocks them typically say something like "their friend's friend had issues with them and they are junk". Also is there a reason that Tibra1 went with AR instead of Macht Schnell? Based on your arrogant responses is it similar to how my wife has to have a Christian Dior purse over a $60 Dillard's purse? Do you just need to say you have something expensive, need the feeling of being "special" and everything else sucks "just because". So far I have it narrowed it down to the Macht's or the Raceland's. Also please don't show me a post wheres somebody had an issue with the Raceland's or the Macht's. I can just as easily find a thread where somebody is talking bad about AR's. Also based on Mr.5's results from his 2.5" UR's compared to 3" Macht Schnell's thread; I find it somewhat inaccurate based on the early design of the UR's. Does somebody have any same day dynos that compares a quality CPE 2.5" vs a AR 3" downpipes? Now that would get my attention and answer a lot of question's. This will never happen though, since most vendors sell CPE and AR downpipes. If the 2.5's came out ahead it would hurt many relations.

[xclone]

I can't comment on the quality of raceland DP's. Got some AR DP's coming in this week though. What I can add is a very simple tenet that has always held true for any business that I have ever dealt with.

Cheap
Quality
Fast

Pick two.

[geterdone]

I am just interested in true facts instead of assumptions. This is why many knowledgeable people in the automotive industry tell people to avoid forums. I have no problem dishing out the money for the AR's, I just want to make sure it is the right decision. Down the road I don't want to find out that I spent 400 dollars more for no reason besides the name.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by geterdone

Tibra1 and M3THOD really do hate something they have never tried. I am doing research like crazy since I just bought my 335i. So far the Raceland's seem to be the way to go if you are looking to not spend much, also remember that many people have paid 20k-30k for their i's and are probably in a much different income bracket then someone who purchased a new i for 45k-55k. Everybody that actually has the Racelands for the most part have praised the fitment and quality. Everybody that knocks them typically say something like "their friend's friend had issues with them and they are junk". Also is there a reason that Tibra1 went with AR instead of Macht Schnell? Based on your arrogant responses is it similar to how my wife has to have a Christian Dior purse over a $60 Dillard's purse? Do you just need to say you have something expensive, need the feeling of being "special" and everything else sucks "just because". So far I have it narrowed it down to the Macht's or the Raceland's. Also please don't show me a post wheres somebody had an issue with the Raceland's or the Macht's. I can just as easily find a thread where somebody is talking bad about AR's. Also based on Mr.5's results from his 2.5" UR's compared to 3" Macht Schnell's thread; I find it somewhat inaccurate based on the early design of the UR's. Does somebody have any same day dynos that compares a quality CPE 2.5" vs a AR 3" downpipes? Now that would get my attention and answer a lot of question's. This will never happen though, since most vendors sell CPE and AR downpipes. If the 2.5's came out ahead it would hurt many relations.

Ok since u see fit enough to try and bump an old thread and slander me..if you dont believe what I have to say... read what my professional installer has to say...he's one of the NY tri-state areas main BMW installers and a certified BMW tech.

Hes prolly installed downpipes on these cars more times than I have filled up my gas tank

Post #26.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...wnpipes&page=2

END THREAD//

[themyst]

I have the original "cheap" chinese-made downpipes that started this whole price war on DPs... the VK brand. Matt@Camber-toe (highly respected installer in this community) installed these on my 135i and stated they were quite easy to work with. That car's gone and I installed them on my 335i on a lift and I echo his statements. Still good after two years too.

Not sure about the PLM downpipes, but I know Clap DIY installed those on his car without any problems either. Apparently they work well, they're good enough to propel his car to 117.7 MPH traps on Cobb stage 2.

[V8Killer]

I have the vk dps also fitment wasn't 100% had to grind the flange connecting the dp to turbo to get a good seal but it worked out and I knew what I was buying..my .02 is people on these forums ask way too much of other people they don't know on what they should do to their cars, and are swayed way to easily on people's opinions

[geterdone]

PLM is junk, I have seen the welds. Raceland's really don't look too bad. You are right about what you said V8Killer, luckily this is about my 15th forum to join so I can weed out the B.S. for the most part.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by V8Killer

I have the vk dps also fitment wasn't 100% had to grind the flange connecting the dp to turbo to get a good seal but it worked out and I knew what I was buying..my .02 is people on these forums ask way too much of other people they don't know on what they should do to their cars, and are swayed way to easily on people's opinions

Yet people still post a solicition for opinions,,if u know what u wanna run then just DO IT..why even post...but if there continues to be these type of threads posted I will continue to state my opinion that collectively these DPs are junk.

Maybe some r keeping the car short term or gonna sell the DPs after a while or just dont care what they put on their cars..in my case these were going on my car and staying on-long term..so had to do it right the first time...Im not dealing with corrison down or weld fatigue down the line..especially here in northeast.

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by geterdone

Tibra1 and M3THOD really do hate something they have never tried. I am doing research like crazy since I just bought my 335i. So far the Raceland's seem to be the way to go if you are looking to not spend much, also remember that many people have paid 20k-30k for their i's and are probably in a much different income bracket then someone who purchased a new i for 45k-55k. Everybody that actually has the Racelands for the most part have praised the fitment and quality. Everybody that knocks them typically say something like "their friend's friend had issues with them and they are junk". Also is there a reason that Tibra1 went with AR instead of Macht Schnell? Based on your arrogant responses is it similar to how my wife has to have a Christian Dior purse over a $60 Dillard's purse? Do you just need to say you have something expensive, need the feeling of being "special" and everything else sucks "just because". So far I have it narrowed it down to the Macht's or the Raceland's. Also please don't show me a post wheres somebody had an issue with the Raceland's or the Macht's. I can just as easily find a thread where somebody is talking bad about AR's. Also based on Mr.5's results from his 2.5" UR's compared to 3" Macht Schnell's thread; I find it somewhat inaccurate based on the early design of the UR's. Does somebody have any same day dynos that compares a quality CPE 2.5" vs a AR 3" downpipes? Now that would get my attention and answer a lot of question's. This will never happen though, since most vendors sell CPE and AR downpipes. If the 2.5's came out ahead it would hurt many relations.

I have had PLM's on my car and I have helped "install", if you call it that, sets of RL in 2 separate cars. The second set had pin hole leaks in the "welds" as well as bungs that were so off they couldn't be installed. The owner, who shall remain nameless, left the car up on stands and ordered some MS downpipes.

The PLM's rattled and had uneven flanges for the T clamps. I had to run a T-clamp off a ford F-250 in order to get it to seal.

Soo... yeah.

[V8Killer]

Originally Posted by tibra1

Yet people still post a solicition for opinions,,if u know what u wanna run then just DO IT..why even post...but if there continues to be these type of threads posted I will continue to state my opinion that collectively these DPs are junk.

Maybe some r keeping the car short term or gonna sell the DPs after a while or just dont care what they put on their cars..in my case these were going on my car and staying on-long term..so had to do it right the first time...Im not dealing with corrison down or weld fatigue down the line..especially here in northeast.

Tibra1 I have no problem with you or anyone stating your opinions that's cool...we all know there's like 20 posts a day with people asking what they should do with their car I think it's funny..what works for one doesn't always work for another so in the end be your own person and do what you want with your car.

[GreekMaverick]

I got my racelands for over 2 months now, I also had them Coated for $60 (very much worth it) The car now sounds amazing with nothing more done to the stock exhaust other than the RL DP's, fitment was spot on for me ....Nothing Less than very happy with my decision and the extra $500.00 in my pocket.

[Alex@Helix]

I have a set sitting in the shop, I havent had a chance to install them yet as I have a muffler delete and I HATE IT. If I were to put DP's on top of the muffler delete i may end up spontaneously driving off a cliff if the drone got any worse.

When I do install them I will post up my experience. THey look nice but so far thats all I can tell.

[nitehawk]

With regards to getting what you pay for, has anyone seen the SuperSprint downpipes for the 335i? They go for nearly $3k

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-16...irst-cats.aspx

In this case, it's not even about guaranteed fitment as it is about the name.
I wonder if anyone actually has these. They must be the Versace of downpipes ...

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

With regards to getting what you pay for, has anyone seen the SuperSprint downpipes for the 335i? They go for nearly $3k

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-16...irst-cats.aspx

In this case, it's not even about guaranteed fitment as it is about the name.
I wonder if anyone actually has these. They must be the Versace of downpipes ...

SuperSprint makes some super nice stuff. I've run their stepped headers and both race and sport exhausts on my e46 M3. Phenomenally expensive, but they often have specials for communities that buy their stuff regularly. 3k for downpipes is absolutely retarded. I almost feel like they deliberately price themselves out of the market intentionally in some cases.

[ianthegreat]

Mine fit perfect, no issues to speak of, installed them myself.