[anielsen71]

@335dfan
I have a feeling of a lot of soldiers stationed in Europe are on these blogs. Am I right?

My guess about the reason for not having the same options for diesels in US, is that you use to only use it on 18 wheelers and similar?

[335dFan]

Originally Posted by anielsen71

@335dfan
I have a feeling of a lot of soldiers stationed in Europe are on these blogs. Am I right?

My guess about the reason for not having the same options for diesels in US, is that you use to only use it on 18 wheelers and similar?

Nielsen, I don't know about the soldiers in Europe on the forum, but probably quite a few soldiers in general. I was there a very long time ago.

Regarding diesels, I think low US participation in passenger car diesels is for several reasons:

1. Diesel fuel and diesel engines have a long-standing reputation for being slow, smelly, dirty, noisy, etc. Also the perception is that diesel fuel is hard to find, or only at truck stops.
2. The fact that diesel technology has changed hasn't percolated down to the average US person's thinking.
3. During some years in the past the price of diesel was cheaper than petrol, but then the automobile diesel offerings were very limited. Now the price of diesel is about the same as petrol, but that varies state by state; some places a little cheaper, some places a little pricier.
4. Since the US EPA makes it so hard to certify an automobile to be imported into the USA, the "foreign" (non-US) auto makers don't want to spend the certification money unless they think they can sell enough cars. Since the demand is still low, it is a financial gamble for them.
5. But, things seem to be slowly changing. We shall see.
6. I bought an '86 VW Jetta diesel long ago because I was anticipating a long drive from my home to work. I kept that car for 20 years and almost 500,000 km. And when I holiday in Europe I always rent the TDI autos. So I am a converted customer.

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Well versed on your comment to anielsen 335dFan,

Anielsen I understand your plight i also had to pay $12k for taxes and my car ended costing me $63 grand from the original $50k, but you like me are taking chances, we are paying the liter of DIESEL anywhere from .90 cents to a dollar which the actual conversion is as follows: 3.78 liters to a U.S. gallon and if we multiply by lets say .98 cents it averages at $3.70 U.S. dollars which is cheaper than most the mainland USA and of course Europe Besides I got the beautiful beaches and most beautiful women in the world here in Puerto Rico (I think we've won the Miss Universer pageant somewhat like 4 or 5 times already ,oh well)

[anielsen71]

Puerto Rican
Well the $63 grand was for a new car right?
Mine was used and had been around the world several times.... ;-)
But in good condition:-)

Hmmm .90/liter. That was the price here 7-8 years ago :-). I started my diesel driving in a Peugeot 206HDI. A 2.0 4 cylinder with 90Hp and a piggybag box. It was 120Hp... :-)

Hehe I surely envy you the beaches and the weather. Here it's like 15 degrees celsius and the calender says summer....hmmm :-(

We all have our advantages and disadvantages. And I think we all want what the other guy has... ;-)

[anielsen71]

@335dfan
Hehehe well done by a Jetta diesel
My former E46 330d also ran +540.000km and was still going strong when i sold it after I had it for 6 years. I drove the 330.000km in it :-)

[ddeliber]

Originally Posted by 335dFan

Nielsen, I don't know about the soldiers in Europe on the forum, but probably quite a few soldiers in general. I was there a very long time ago.

Regarding diesels, I think low US participation in passenger car diesels is for several reasons:

1. Diesel fuel and diesel engines have a long-standing reputation for being slow, smelly, dirty, noisy, etc. Also the perception is that diesel fuel is hard to find, or only at truck stops.
2. The fact that diesel technology has changed hasn't percolated down to the average US person's thinking.
3. During some years in the past the price of diesel was cheaper than petrol, but then the automobile diesel offerings were very limited. Now the price of diesel is about the same as petrol, but that varies state by state; some places a little cheaper, some places a little pricier.
4. Since the US EPA makes it so hard to certify an automobile to be imported into the USA, the "foreign" (non-US) auto makers don't want to spend the certification money unless they think they can sell enough cars. Since the demand is still low, it is a financial gamble for them.
5. But, things seem to be slowly changing. We shall see.
6. I bought an '86 VW Jetta diesel long ago because I was anticipating a long drive from my home to work. I kept that car for 20 years and almost 500,000 km. And when I holiday in Europe I always rent the TDI autos. So I am a converted customer.

All good points.

I am hesitant to add this because I don't want to start any off point rants, but I feel it is important to at least mention...

how about #7. Politics

Import tariffs and diesel taxes are both important to the govt financially and in protecting the American car makers investment decisions (petrol vs diesel). Even if the Chevy Cruze and other American diesel cars do well, it will be some time before adoption dictates tax rates. Not to mention all of the other reasons that I don't know enough about to comment on.

[Puerto Rican 335d]

you see thats what Im talking about LONGEVITY in DIESELS but the damn new elctro gizmos nowadays are killing the 335d

[Puerto Rican 335d]

anielsen I ordered my car to my specs, I didnt buy it from the dealer

[ddeliber]

Just out of curiosity, is the Euro 330d similar to the US 335d? Like the 530d vs the new 535d?

[anielsen71]

Puerto rican
I don't understand? You ordered it to your specs where? At the factory or?
I found mine on a local webpage for used cars and bought it directly from the former owner without any waranty or anything.... :-|

[anielsen71]

@ddeliber
No, the 330d is with one turbo and the 335d is with 2 turbos. Same for 530d and 535d.
the power in the 330d is 231Hp and 286Hp in the 335d in the 2006 versions.

As I understand it the US spec 335d is the same engine but detuned to 265-270Hp. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Actually I think thats one of the reasons you're not having the 330d in US. The engines are to similar in power output.

[ddeliber]

Originally Posted by anielsen71

@ddeliber
No, the 330d is with one turbo and the 335d is with 2 turbos. Same for 530d and 535d.
the power in the 330d is 231Hp and 286Hp in the 335d in the 2006 versions.

As I understand it the US spec 335d is the same engine but detuned to 265-270Hp. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Actually I think thats one of the reasons you're not having the 330d in US. The engines are to similar in power output.

Thanks for clarifying. and yes, US 335ds are listed at 265Hp.

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Yes I ordered my car thru BMW USA website to my likings my color exterior my color interior and many other gadgets I wanted the dealer only placed the order for me so my car is specifically made from me!!

Yes our engines are at 268 Bhp not like euro version of 286bhp

Like anielsen stated the 330d is single turbo unlike ours which twin turbos but the SAME engine M57 with different ECU, the Euro version and our ENCRYPTED version!!

[EgorGovorun]

Originally Posted by 335dFan

The USA ECU/DDE is different from the Euro version. We cannot get the Touring version of the 33xD. The emissions setup in the USA is different from Euro at the moment. These are the reasons we are envious. Yes, we can get all the other parts.

Ooo.. I din't think about this.. that's the good clue

I hade N52 325i before.. And I was love my sedan.. After I move to Europe I realized most of the cars are Wagon, Turing, and I was smiled from the people who drive all Merc or BMW with Turing.. But after year of live here I become to like my Turing.. It's practical and I use it for work here.

Now I like it even more than the sedan
The first and one of the most think is insulation is much better than in sedan..
And it's my first Diesel.. I love the powerful torque engine quiet and smooth like the train!!

And the one of the most important think is the fuel consumption with my moro or less aggressive style 7.6-8l per 100km






watch with 1080HD to see more or less the quality..

Sorry for quality )) my first GoPro project video..

[floydarogers]

Originally Posted by ddeliber

...Import tariffs and diesel taxes are both important to the govt financially and in protecting the American car makers investment decisions (petrol vs diesel). ...

There are no tariffs on cars imported from the EU to US.
In the US, fuel tax is higher on diesel than on gasoline (petrol) as a means of taxing truckers for road use (heavy == more road damage.) This is opposite the situation in EU, where it has been lower on diesel so as to increase mileage/decrease pollution.
The EU has several taxes on car sales, predicated upon engine size/grams per mile pollution, and also a VAT (that is higher than state sales taxes).
The EU has very high taxes on diesel/petrol sales (amounting to about 100% of the cost of the fuel).

FYI, the BMW plant that produces all X3 & X5 SUVs is the US's largest automobile exporter.

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Egor thats what I wanted a DIESEL wagon but we dont get those here now but, this year they will bring them but with 4 cyl instead of our 6 cyl damn it BMWoA you screwed me on this , although I love my car I wanted a wagon!!

BTW where in Italy, you were hauling ass in the AUTOSTRADA

[EgorGovorun]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

Egor thats what I wanted a DIESEL wagon but we dont get those here now but, this year they will bring them but with 4 cyl instead of our 6 cyl damn it BMWoA you screwed me on this , although I love my car I wanted a wagon!!

BTW where in Italy, you were hauling ass in the AUTOSTRADA

This is the City Riccione where I live.
On Autostrada we have cameras all the way.. every 10km. And they not taking the speed they take time between of cameras.. and If you past this with more than 140km/h overall you will get the penalty (fine) at the end of the Autostrada..

So it's just small peace of road without cameras or radar ))

But in Germani it's the other story. https://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=718...09954b7ee&hd=1

Can you look this video from here? Or I can putt in Youtube

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Could not upload your link throw it thru youtube.

The closest Ive been there has been La Spezia, Trieste , Bari and on the other side Napoli, Civateveccia, Salermo, Sardignia, Roma, florencia, Cagliari ,Genoa boy I loved Italy in my Navy days, maybe I will tour Europe when I retire again for the second time

[EgorGovorun]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

Could not upload your link throw it thru youtube.

The closest Ive been there has been La Spezia, Trieste , Bari and on the other side Napoli, Civateveccia, Salermo, Sardignia, Roma, florencia, Cagliari ,Genoa boy I loved Italy in my Navy days, maybe I will tour Europe when I retire again for the second time

I live in the Middle side of Europe on the seaside and I love this place very quite in winter and very famous in summer !)))

and that's the video i try to show you before...
In Germany no speed limits on the highway
Just chilling

[335dFan]

Ah yes, this reminds me of the German autobahns in the old days. The speeds weren't quite as high then, no more than about 235 kph in a 1973 911s, but the same feeling, eh? Now most of the time there are too many cars I think.

[pweber]

In Germany it is still possible to drive with average speed 150-180 km/h.

I like when I can do my business on the west and travel to east on this same day.

[335dFan]

Originally Posted by ******

In Germany it is still possible to drive with average speed 150-180 km/h.

I like when I can do my business on the west and travel to east on this same day.

More fun memories. My daily driver at the time was a 1971 BMW 2002, although later on I had a '70 911e that was not in very good condition, and my friend had the 73 '911s. Even motorcycle speeds on a '73 R75/5 were possible at cruising from Frankfurt to Munchen at 150-170 kph. As you said, I could drive from Basel to Wiesbaden going mostly 150-160 kph average. The interesting thing was, while going that fast in my little 2002, the really fast cars at the time (Lambos and Ferraris) would start flashing the lights from way back, and then blow by me like I was crawling. Great fun. For the most part, US drivers have never been taught to drive safely in an environment like that with such great variations of speed, and their mentality for lane control is not very disciplined at all. Oh well, it is what it is. Now just great memories.

P.S. I only visited Heilbronn one time as my main workings were from south of a line that stretched from maybe Trier to Nuremburg. Not too much north of that line except for one trip to Heilbronn and one to Hamburg and when traveling to the Netherlands.