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      05-01-2012, 01:05 PM   #67
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im always curious on this, but do you know why purists actually used to be all whiney about the inline 6?

ps ive driven both the f30 328 and the f30 335i (cousins has the 335i and female has a 328) and theres enough of performance gap between the two of them. especially after 60.
I'm pretty sure that purists want to maintain that heritage to the original M3 (E30 chassis), which was an inline 4-cylinder but b/c it was so light the thing flew. 2nd gen (E36) and 3rd gen (E46) both got the straight 6 screamers. The E9x broke the mold, it got a V8 and picked up a lot of weight -- Seems to be another complaint among purists, that this gen's M3 is too civilized and needs to be put on a diet. The F30 3-series has already shown that its lighter than the outgoing E90, so I'm sure the F80 M will be substantially lighter too.

And I'm sure at highway speeds is when the 335 can showcase its power advantage.
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a 2012 335is is not an n54?

just checked it here, and its the n54 for the is.
If you go to the "Specs" tab on the 335is website, you'll see it says TwinPower Turbo = N55.
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I'm pretty sure that purists want to maintain that heritage to the original M3 (E30 chassis), which was an inline 4-cylinder but b/c it was so light the thing flew. 2nd gen (E36) and 3rd gen (E46) both got the straight 6 screamers. The E9x broke the mold, it got a V8 and picked up a lot of weight -- Seems to be another complaint among purists, that this gen's M3 is too civilized and needs to be put on a diet. The F30 3-series has already shown that its lighter than the outgoing E90, so I'm sure the F80 M will be substantially lighter too.

And I'm sure at highway speeds is when the 335 can showcase its power advantage.
yeah the f80 will be much lighter, I guess...I read that they're incorporating all these CF-impregnated plastics into the body etc. 450 HP on lighter-than-E9x platform? well that's alright with me!!!
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If you go to the "Specs" tab on the 335is website, you'll see it says TwinPower Turbo = N55.
again, no. the 335is is still a n54.

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I'm pretty sure that purists want to maintain that heritage to the original M3 (E30 chassis), which was an inline 4-cylinder but b/c it was so light the thing flew. 2nd gen (E36) and 3rd gen (E46) both got the straight 6 screamers. The E9x broke the mold, it got a V8 and picked up a lot of weight -- Seems to be another complaint among purists, that this gen's M3 is too civilized and needs to be put on a diet. The F30 3-series has already shown that its lighter than the outgoing E90, so I'm sure the F80 M will be substantially lighter too.

And I'm sure at highway speeds is when the 335 can showcase its power advantage.
s65 was 15lbs lighter and shorter than the s54.

you still havent answered the question.
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again, no. the 335is is still a n54.



s65 was 15lbs lighter and shorter than the s54.

you still havent answered the question.
My original belief is that the N54 was still used in the 335is/1M/Z4 35is, so if this is the truth then BMW is mislabling the engine as an N55 on their website because TwinPower is specific to the Twin-Scroll Turbo of the N55 motor.

As for the straight cylinder configuration, its just tradition. And just posted the motor weights, which is pointless since you have to put a motor into a chassis eventually. The E46 M3 coupe weighed 3,415 lbs, while the E92 3,704 lbs -- so much for the 15 lbs lighter.

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okay, alpina, isnt a good example of aftermarket, the only reason we have an b7 here is because bmw wont build an m7. thats changing now.

also alpina, isnt "aftermarket". its very integrated with bmw, but offers a warranty through them (this is in europe). the example is just invalid as a comparison here, because their pricing structure builds in a cash float for any warranty work in the future should bmw invalidate for aftermarket products. your burger tuning or vishnu doesnt do that. dinan does. compare pricing and you see the same trend. how long as dinan been pimped at bmw dealerships?

bmw has offered "performance" parts for a while, but they technically dont go with the warranty of it, its under accessory warranty, slightly different.

As for this shit, the M7 is not realistic -- The closest you'll get is 760 twin-turbo V12. Alpina does have the best working relationship with BMW, but it is an independent business and is an aftermarket company, the B7 is the only Alpina you can buy directly from BMW. The relationship is exactly the same as Ford selling the GT500. Just like how you don't see every Shelby model being sold in a Ford dealer, you don't see every Alpina model being sold in BMW dealers (B3 BiTurbo / B5 BiTurbo). The European tuners (Alpina, Hamann, AC Schnitzer, Hartge, etc.) are much more respected & much larger when you compare them to anything here in the states, whether it be Cobb, Vishnu or Burger Tuning. Dinan is essentially North America's version of Alpina (it's actually specific to the North American BMW market), you can walk into specific BMW dealers (found here: http://www.dinancars.com/dealers/) and buy a Dinan-tuned BMW & have it serviced by that same dealer. The minute you buy a Alpina/Dinan BMW, it no longer is under BMW's warranty but instead the independent aftermarket company's.
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My original belief is that the N54 was still used in the 335is/1M/Z4 35is, so if this is the truth then BMW is mislabling the engine as an N55 on their website because TwinPower is specific to the Twin-Scroll Turbo of the N55 motor.

As for the straight cylinder configuration, its just tradition. And just posted the motor weights, which is pointless since you have to put a motor into a chassis eventually. The E46 M3 coupe weighed 3,415 lbs, while the E92 3,704 lbs -- so much for the 15 lbs lighter.




As for this shit, the M7 is not realistic -- The closest you'll get is 760 twin-turbo V12. Alpina does have the best working relationship with BMW, but it is an independent business and is an aftermarket company, the B7 is the only Alpina you can buy directly from BMW. The relationship is exactly the same as Ford selling the GT500. Just like how you don't see every Shelby model being sold in a Ford dealer, you don't see every Alpina model being sold in BMW dealers (B3 BiTurbo / B5 BiTurbo). The European tuners (Alpina, Hamann, AC Schnitzer, Hartge, etc.) are much more respected & much larger when you compare them to anything here in the states, whether it be Cobb, Vishnu or Burger Tuning. Dinan is essentially North America's version of Alpina (it's actually specific to the North American BMW market), you can walk into specific BMW dealers (found here: http://www.dinancars.com/dealers/) and buy a Dinan-tuned BMW & have it serviced by that same dealer. The minute you buy a Alpina/Dinan BMW, it no longer is under BMW's warranty but instead the independent aftermarket company's.
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My original belief is that the N54 was still used in the 335is/1M/Z4 35is, so if this is the truth then BMW is mislabling the engine as an N55 on their website because TwinPower is specific to the Twin-Scroll Turbo of the N55 motor.
yeah, plus I see guys posting in the N55 section of the forum with 2012 335is cars...
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yeah, plus I see guys posting in the N55 section of the forum with 2012 335is cars...
they are confused.
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good luck to you in all of things you hope to accomplish in life.
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LOL. seriously bro?
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they are confused.
you crack me up, man.
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you crack me up, man.
wait are you arguing with me that a 335is is an n55?

we are still on this? lol.
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wait are you arguing with me that a 335is is an n55?

we are still on this? lol.
yes we are!!!!
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LOL its a n54 bro.
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LOL its a n54 bro.
2011 is N54 for sure...can't find proof of 2012 though...it's pissing me off!!!!!!
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2011 is for sure...can't find proof of 2012 though...it's pissing me off!!!!!!
THANK YOU SEE?

im going by what all the sites for parts say an n54 is

and its 2011 335is + for all of them

therefore im right.
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THANK YOU SEE?

im going by what all the sites for parts say an n54 is

and its 2011 335is + for all of them

therefore im right.
well those silly Krauts need to fix their website, because they make it sound like it's the N55!!!!!! I hate when you're right!
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well those silly Krauts need to fix their website, because they make it sound like it's the N55!!!!!! I hate when you're right!
everyone does.
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everyone does.
I know, and it just emboldens you!
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why u mad?
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Not mad at all my friend...just having fun with ya!
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My original belief is that the N54 was still used in the 335is/1M/Z4 35is, so if this is the truth then BMW is mislabling the engine as an N55 on their website because TwinPower is specific to the Twin-Scroll Turbo of the N55 motor.

As for the straight cylinder configuration, its just tradition. And just posted the motor weights, which is pointless since you have to put a motor into a chassis eventually. The E46 M3 coupe weighed 3,415 lbs, while the E92 3,704 lbs -- so much for the 15 lbs lighter.




As for this shit, the M7 is not realistic -- The closest you'll get is 760 twin-turbo V12. Alpina does have the best working relationship with BMW, but it is an independent business and is an aftermarket company, the B7 is the only Alpina you can buy directly from BMW. The relationship is exactly the same as Ford selling the GT500. Just like how you don't see every Shelby model being sold in a Ford dealer, you don't see every Alpina model being sold in BMW dealers (B3 BiTurbo / B5 BiTurbo). The European tuners (Alpina, Hamann, AC Schnitzer, Hartge, etc.) are much more respected & much larger when you compare them to anything here in the states, whether it be Cobb, Vishnu or Burger Tuning. Dinan is essentially North America's version of Alpina (it's actually specific to the North American BMW market), you can walk into specific BMW dealers (found here: http://www.dinancars.com/dealers/) and buy a Dinan-tuned BMW & have it serviced by that same dealer. The minute you buy a Alpina/Dinan BMW, it no longer is under BMW's warranty but instead the independent aftermarket company's.
note: f01 740i is also a n54
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