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11-17-2011, 10:53 AM | #89 | |
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What are we in 3rd grade. My backpack is better cause its red.... All this thread proves is how childish the e90 community is with receiving data and has to turn it into a war and pissing contest everytime. |
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11-17-2011, 11:13 AM | #90 | |
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Let's see some runs + logs from cars on pump gas. After all, that's where most people still are. |
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11-17-2011, 11:19 AM | #91 | |
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That graph shows the procede dropping AFR earlier than the cobb and jb4. Thats great, and I hope it did. Looking at the logs show the whole story, car to car, tune to tune. Whats wrong with that? |
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11-17-2011, 11:26 AM | #92 |
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11-17-2011, 11:40 AM | #94 |
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11-17-2011, 01:39 PM | #96 | |
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All you guys want is more data so you can knit pick every detail, why? Cause thats all you guys do.... bicker about the details. How does your car run? If it runs great then who cares about some dumb air fuel graph from some joe schmoes car. Its not your car is it? Seriously..... wow. |
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11-17-2011, 01:52 PM | #98 | |
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11-17-2011, 01:56 PM | #100 |
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I tried to keep my contribution to this thread as factual as possible. Offering opinions as to what is "good" or "bad" isn't the goal here. Especially considering that there is nothing "bad" to report in these results.
It's only a few users who are getting upset about something. And I'm pretty sure they don't even know what they are getting upset about. They just like to turn everything into a debate. We are looking at AFR logs guys. That's it |
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11-17-2011, 02:04 PM | #101 | |
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I hate all the politics and BS that these threads create, i just want to learn as much as i can. Enjoy your tune and drive safely. |
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11-17-2011, 02:06 PM | #102 | |
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I did not come in here to flame, nor have I said anything detremental here in quite a while. Do you understand the rarity of having 3 cars, 3 tunes on the same dyno, on the same day, same conditions? I dont think you do. It's nice to look at, and see them compare. Where did I say X tune sucks and Y tune is better because of so and so? No where. It's like saying "Well, no point in watching the game if I know the outcome." You dont like watching plays? I have plenty of procede logs. And a few JB logs. And no Cobb logs. I know how the procede reacts to conditions. In this instance, conditions were consistant. Why cant I see how the Cobb faired in comparison? The logs show everything. Shiv knows that, and the procede did very well. Thats why he didnt hesitate to offer to post them (later on). I dont see what your problem is. |
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11-17-2011, 02:06 PM | #103 | |
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It's not often you get 3 similarly modified cars, on the same dyno, on the same day. So the data was presented. If you want to look at a Procede+DCI car making running on PUMP gas (not meth), you can look at these results (dyno and log) here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612243 The were also taken on the same day. But the car was running 92oct (not 100). And on a different dyno, in a different state, in very different testing conditions. But the AFR graphs are similar. Not surprising since all the Aggressive maps have the same AFR target tables. Meth or not, it doesn't matter. |
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11-17-2011, 02:09 PM | #104 | |
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Rader1, I don't think shiv was referring to me as being upset either. All is good. I just wanted to understand what team Vishnu considers rich and lean AFR for this engine and most importantly, why. I can also understand him not wanting to share details of their philosophy when it comes to AFRs in public.
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I don't feel posting up power/tq graphs is going to be fair given that the Procede was running meth while the others were running only 100oct. When it comes to power/tq, meth is going to be a big contributor. It's only with AFR data, that meth doesn't come into play. Which is why I only posted up an AFR comparison.
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11-17-2011, 02:30 PM | #107 | |
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11-17-2011, 02:35 PM | #108 | |
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He doesnt want to post opinions on what is good or bad. He doesnt want to post the dyno graphs. And he doesnt have to post any logs if he doesnt want to. Why? Cause you guys will just bicker more. Its funny you mention you havnt said anything detrimental in a while, cause you even know thats all you do is cause problems in every thread. I'm just slowing down the usual suspects that continue to haunt Shiv's thread, so excuse me everyone. |
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