[Trill335]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Whats wrong with having a real Eisenmann Race exhaust?

I honestly dont see too big of a deal about that. If its a quality made product from germany and if you enjoy the sound, then whats wrong? Your exhaust is still made by Eisenmann, its not a lower quality compared to other system that they make.

I would understand if they renamed a cheaper model and sold it for a more expensive one but they didnt.

Its kinda like buying a Acura TL and then later finding out its really a rebadged Honda everywhere else in the world. Its just the name that was changed, the quality is still there.

I don't think he has an issue with having an Authentic Eisenmann exhaust.

I think the issue here is that OC purchased an exhaust that was marketed as an upscale Eisenmann Exhaust system. He actually got an Eisenmann Race exhaust with some fancy tips and a fancy name for an additional cost.

[Trill335]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Do you have a vested interest in this? I do not see how you fail to realize what is wrong.

I DID NOT want a race exhaust. I did not want the race sound. I do not enjoy the race sound. It was marketed as a Meistercraft exhaust, which was marketed as QUIETER than the race system. It is not as advertised. There is NO SUCH thing as Eisenmann Meistercraft for the E92 335i. PERIOD.

Bro you need to show Eisenhaus that you mean business. Eisenhaus if you're still monitoring this thread...do the right thing here.

Eisenhaus, you are wrong and the best thing you can do is rectify this situation ASAP as the customers demand. It is going to be much worse on you if these cases make it into a court of law. You will surely loose. Write that down.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Trill335

Bro you need to show Eisenhaus that you mean business. Eisenhaus if you're still monitoring this thread...do the right thing here.

Oh trust me, I am.

I'm just not making all my moves public.

[Trill335]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=585

Originally Posted by NPDAN

Have they chimed in at all????

[Trill335]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Oh trust me, I am.

I'm just not making all my moves public.

Good deal. Take them out...

I understand not showing your hand.

[e92man]

so help me out. the meisterchaft system( the quads that oc335 got) is really eissanman's race system but eisenhaus renamed it and had it knocked-off in korea? or is it the real race exhaust, but the eisanhaus people renamed it to make it sell better?

[san~man]

Originally Posted by Trill335

I don't think he has an issue with having an Authentic Eisenmann exhaust.

I think the issue here is that OC purchased an exhaust that was marketed as an upscale Eisenmann Exhaust system. He actually got an Eisenmann Race exhaust with some fancy tips and a fancy name for an additional cost.

Does anyone really know if the price of the real Eisenmann Race in Germany is the same price as the Eisenhaus Meisterschaft that was sold in America?

Had the real Race = Meisterschaft in price, then your argument is not valid.
Had the real Race > Meisterschaft in price, then your argument is again not valid.
Had the real Race < Meisterschaft in price, then your argument is valid.

In the end, all names of products aside, it is the upscale unit because it's the genuine unit and not the outsourced unit.

Originally Posted by OC 335i

I DID NOT want a race exhaust. I did not want the race sound. I do not enjoy the race sound. It was marketed as a Meistercraft exhaust, which was marketed as QUIETER than the race system. It is not as advertised. There is NO SUCH thing as Eisenmann Meistercraft for the E92 335i. PERIOD.

This is my opinion on this, and I not here to sling shit at you. I may get shit in return from you and other members since I'm the noob here, but I'm simply still trying to understand your POV. Having gotten that out of the way, I will say this:

The real Eisenmann "Race" and the Eisenhaus "Meisterschaft" are basically equal- no one can deny that. Eisenhaus, to my knowledge, did nothing to the muffler to change its characteristics. They didn't open it up, didn't modify it, didn't do anything to it other than change it's name. That's why I asked you the other day if you heard it before you bought it, and you said you did. Other than possibly changing the tips to a quad tip (does anyone really know if they didn't sell a quad tip version in Europe?), there is no difference.

I asked once in a thread if there was a difference in sound by changing the tips from a single tip to a quad tip, and many members stated that it was purely cosmetic. I simply can't see how the system you listened to the first time is different from what you received. That's all I'm saying.

If you consider the product line that Eisenhaus sold in America, the Meisterschaft was softer than the Race (fake one) sold here. At least it was for me in every video I listened to, hence my decision in purchasing it. In that sense, you did receive the "quieter" unit. The line, as you know, went from "Sport," to "Meisterschaft" to "Race." Knowing that, it is as "advertised" because you got the unit that supposedly was in the middle of the dB range in their exhaust line up.

Now, I myself am not angry at all if I received a Race or a Meisterschaft, because I bought the unit for the sound, construction, quality of materials used and because it was made in Germany. My decision had nothing to do with the name of the product. I don't give a damn if it's a Race or a Meisterschaft, as long as I got the "real deal" Eisenmann, which I did (SR pipes aside).

Now, that being said, I'm not on anyone's side but my own, so don't mistake my comments for anything of the sort.

Fire away...

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by san~man

If you consider the product line that Eisenhaus sold in America, the Meisterschaft was softer than the Race (fake one) sold here. At least it was for me in every video I listened to, hence my decision in purchasing it. In that sense, you did receive the "quieter" unit. The line, as you know, went from "Sport," to "Meisterschaft" to "Race." Knowing that, it is as "advertised" because you got the unit that supposedly was in the middle of the dB range in their exhaust line up.

No, there is no Sport. Have you seen a Sport Unit in the US for the E92 335i yet? Race is a fake so you shouldn't really compare one product to a fake one. It is simple as this, if it was labeled as Eisenmann Race, not as many people would have bought it, nor would have I.

As far as REAL deal Eisenmann Products are concerned, the exhaust I purchased was the Eisenmann Race. Their louder product. Period.

It's like buying a BMW with Sport Package in the U.S. but not really receiving the Sport Package. It's still a BMW, but it's not what you ordered.

[Last E92 M3]

yeah i am with OC 335i.
regardless of how much that "exhaust system" costs, if customer isn't satisfied due to false advertisement, customer definately has a right to get refund/exchange or w/e that will be appropriate.

i think it's totally up to customers at this point, rather they get refund or exchanged or w/e.
keep us updated how this thing goes...this is definately a yellow light for aftermarkets

[Kev]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

No, there is no Sport. Have you seen a Sport Unit in the US for the E92 335i yet? Race is a fake so you shouldn't really compare one product to a fake one. It is simple as this, if it was labeled as Eisenmann Race, not as many people would have bought it, nor would have I.

As far as REAL deal Eisenmann Products are concerned, the exhaust I purchased was the Eisenmann Race. Their louder product. Period.

It's like buying a BMW with Sport Package in the U.S. but not really receiving the Sport Package. It's still a BMW, but it's not what you ordered.

I'm with you on this. It's intentional mis-representation of a product.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Kev

I'm with you on this. It's intentional mis-representation of a product.

Thank you.

And to add to this, do you think Eisenmann was happy it was labeled Eisenmann Meistercraft? Did they give Eisenhaus PERMISSION to name it Meistercraft? According to the letter, they DID NOT.

Ok, I canceled my order and going with a full-catback britalman.

Let me explain.

I was talking to my sources. If these "master dealers/new dealers" import or spend atleast XX,XXX ammount of $$$ in sales. Each exhaust for the "Eissenman Race" (The only one they sell in the USA) would come out to about 700-800$ shipped.

All legit numbers straight from Eissenman. To import just one exhaust it cost about 1700$+tax and stuff -- thats where you seen those crazy high numbers. Pretty much as these dealers come by and make "large orders" all in all they are making a steal from us. It's fucked up, but someone had to say it.

I cancaled today becuz my nigs at SPP told me something is shady is going to happen with eissenhaus, so I backed off and going with the britalmann.

[canucklion]

I'm sure even with them paying off people with the hush money, they still end up ahead since it probably cost them pennies to a dollar to produce the exhausts in Korea

[canucklion]

and here's a thought: sue them anyways even after you've gotten the hush money. WTF are they going to say? huh? "Hey, you promised not to tell the police that we lied and stole from you!!!!!"

[hl0m4n]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

so the two ways of telling genuine product is the plaque and ribs on the muffler right?

does this apply to 328xi exhausts sec 1-3?

[longtran]

^ yes, ribbed mufflers are ok. eisenamnn never made a section 1 and 2. only 3. so you have a real muffler and fake pipings.

[just4kickz]

i like how everybody is saying ribbed... i think i started using it first! im so glad! anyways... everybody who has a questionable exhaust & or piping should definitely call eisenhaus to see what they can get for compensation.

[ricky123hk2002]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Thank you.

And to add to this, do you think Eisenmann was happy it was labeled Eisenmann Meistercraft? Did they give Eisenhaus PERMISSION to name it Meistercraft? According to the letter, they DID NOT.

I am with you too...
The point is just simple... you didn't get what u think u should get...
Wrong info is giving out from the seller...
The seller should do something for pay for it...
It's not about u get a better product or worse product...
Brand is a factor... Eisenmann exhaust doesn't mean good exhaust in some people's mind... Some people will reject to buy it if they know it made by Eisenmann... It is about preferences...

[Kev]

Originally Posted by canucklion

and here's a thought: sue them anyways even after you've gotten the hush money. WTF are they going to say? huh? "Hey, you promised not to tell the police that we lied and stole from you!!!!!"

Well, we are talking about Civil vs Criminal case here. Once they signed the release forms, the customers relinquish the right to pursue this case further in court by accepting the compensation that Eisenhaus offered. However, Eisenhaus can still be charged criminally for violating trademarks, untruthful advertising, and counterfeiting, which should involve Federal prosecutors because this is inter-state commerce.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, just a poor medical student that watched too much Law & Order.

[Kev]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Thank you.

And to add to this, do you think Eisenmann was happy it was labeled Eisenmann Meistercraft? Did they give Eisenhaus PERMISSION to name it Meistercraft? According to the letter, they DID NOT.

Bottomline is you paid for something that you thought WAS NOT RACE, but it turns that it is indeed RACE. Therefore, you should be compensated accordingly, either with a small monetary compensation for you to keep the exhaust or simply a 100% refund / buy back of your exhaust since it was mis-represented to you when you bought it.

Apparently, eisenmann is not happy with the Meisterschaft "line" that Eisenhaus created for them. Labeling it Eisenmann Meisterschaft is just plain misleading, and it is also a violation of copyriights.

[ORLY_YARLY]

Originally Posted by Kev

Bottomline is you paid for something that you thought WAS NOT RACE, but it turns that it is indeed RACE. Therefore, you should be compensated accordingly, either with a small monetary compensation for you to keep the exhaust or simply a 100% refund / buy back of your exhaust since it was mis-represented to you when you bought it.

Apparently, eisenmann is not happy with the Meisterschaft "line" that Eisenhaus created for them. Labeling it Eisenmann Meisterschaft is just plain misleading, and it is also a violation of copyriights.

+1
Coming from the noob with 17 posts.

[!Xoible]

VOTE FOR OC 335i in 2008

havent ever seen so many people agree with him... u guys are making it hard on me