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VFF+VARGAS-- Single & Twin Turbo 335i TEST DRIVE and BBQ/MEET/DYNODAY
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04-21-2013, 10:01 AM | #67 | |
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04-21-2013, 10:07 AM | #68 |
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With no disrespect, even if vtt accepted i dont think their car would be ready to run some 60-130s or 1/4 mile times. I have been reading alot on both forums for quite some time and i havent read that any suspension, m3 bits, lsd, or lockdown kit have been put on this car. Correct me if I'm wrong. This i would imagine would make it hard to put down the power that he is making but i applaud him making this kind of power with twins. Seems to me like he has got the product to where he feels comfortable to sell to the public. This does not mean he has built a race car to drop it into for the streets yet.
If i remember correctly the audi s4 was usually maxed out at like 550-600whp so to see 725whp i am pretty happy. His brothers car is not set up like captian insanos car is and im sure his car is putting the power down much easier. I don't think it is a fair comparison until these twins are on a car with close to the mods as his except for the same dyno on the same day to match numbers and for people to see both cars running without hiccups. I like both turbo kits and I think it is great that there is competition. It makes me keep my car longer and longer and makes my decision on my car a better one everyday i read this forum(except for the bickering and crap of that nature). Best of the luck to both of you guys and i hope to see a match between the two of you eventually with properly set cars. Congrats on continuing the platform to the next level. I hope to have a single/upgraded twin n54 to keep next to the m2/m4 when they come out. |
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04-21-2013, 10:14 AM | #69 |
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I don't disagree Vargas has come a long way in a short amount of time, but other than a few dyno numbers and some pictures, what do we have? I hope his kits work well for the customers who have jumped the gun and bought them without any real data to back them up. Only time will tell if the stage 2 will hold up, and for the stage 3, well without any actual drive data who knows what issues will be uncovered. Again, only time will tell... I do wish them the best.
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04-21-2013, 10:35 AM | #70 |
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Too bad this won't happen! Would have been great for those of us still on the fence....
For me, Stage 2 makes the most sense for my use (tracking on road course). Waiting anxiously for reviews of the Stage 2. Maybe I'll end up going with RB, we'll see. They've likely iron out all the wrinkles by now. In case I decide to really indulge, I also wanted to know whether we can safely track the FFtec/Vishnu ST on straight pump gas (93-94 oct) without meth, or how it compares to RB on road courses, never got an answer, and don't think I ever will. So these (friendly) competitive BBQ / shootouts are more important for folks like me. Anyway, I am definitely not buying anything without more information. Cheers everybody. Lighten up, it's only about cars and we're all in this together. Fanboyism is so ridiculously stupid!
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Didn't more people than just Captain Insano buy Shivs kit? Be nice to see if they are going to upgrade their turbos to stay competitive.
Don't really know how many are still out there because all the posts seem to have dried up. It would be really great to get a list of all the current users saying what their status is now.
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04-21-2013, 11:04 AM | #72 | |
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CupertinoSteve put down a 6.88 sec 60 - 130 with a stock AT with Alpina flash. So that's why I say Prem's car will be a record breaker if he can get the power down because he'll be making a lot more power than Steve's car was when he did the 6.88. I know it's nice to have the latest and greatest, but I think the kits are still competitive. Just like everything else time will only produce better options as things progress. In all reality I would be very happy with 600 whp daily driver. I know that wouldn't be an option with RB's as they won't make the power at that level without running them at 100% DC. Last thing I want is to spend that kind of money and have them fail six month after I put them in because I'm running them too hard. So for now, I'm just going to sit back and see what plays out over the next couple of months as today we don't have enough information to validate the upgraded twins from Vargas. I don't like the unknown. |
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04-21-2013, 01:09 PM | #76 |
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Vargas came into the BMW scene and immediately began to bash both shiv and rob. Mind you be hasn't sold a single production turbo yet. Literally everything posted here by him over the past 2 weeks is deleted or censored. What comes out of his mouth (before moderator) is insulting and shows you his true nature as an individual. He has acted like a child and has been nothing buy insulting. I will NEVER buy a product that he sells even if it was vastly superior. He contradicts himself in every other thread, bashes everyone's products and has a god like mentality. Do yourself a favor and associate with a decent individual not a Varg-ass.
Lets see him finally produce a single unit that 'isn't beta, or pre production'.
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vargas/tony has been pretty respectful while fftec and vishnu and many of their ST owners have chimed in to bash vargas. in my eyes, vargas has just shown what they have done, taken some orders (shipped out some orders) and have been updating their projects in real time. You, like vishnu and other fftec ST owners, are bashing him for no apparent reason. i can understand fftex part, because they have to protect their customer base, but you? Varg-ass? what are you 10 years old? have some maturity in your post. bias, isnt even the word to describe it. |
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04-21-2013, 01:42 PM | #78 |
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Honestly I don't know why we all aren't excited to see our cars reach a new benchmark. It's pretty awesome thinking that our 335s, with proper mods/tuning, can blow the overpriced doors off of some exotics out there. That just gives me a big ol happy motor boner. Props to both camps for pushing the envelope. Keep it positive for the community!
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Since you are in effect touting a “proven” product against a prototype it would be really really nice to get some data on the missing kits. This would provide a body of data to demonstrate actual customer experiences with Shiv’s kit.
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Gawd this has gone downhill quickly...
Looking back this was an attempt by Shiv to look like the good guy and passively call out Tony... and this forum has become all about "records" which is slightly annoying... We need a separate section for vendor turbocharging banter. And from my personal experience, Tony has been nothing but helpful and pleasant to talk to and work with. I emailed Shiv a couple months back regarding some fuel pump questions and he was very polite and nice as well. If they want to go at it 1v1 then let them, we don't need fucking fanboys trying to back up the facts or what not. I have just been supportive of Tony and what he is doing for my car and the N54 platform. It's also funny to think that us track guys never bash on each other and compete over track times. I know money isn't involved, but I am always willing to help out another driver with technique or pointers.
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