E90Post
 


Coby Wheel
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > Tracking, Autocrossing, Dragstrip, Driving Techniques > the new ideal 17" track wheel



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-26-2013, 02:28 PM   #111
gilly22
503
gilly22's Avatar
United_States
10
Rep
159
Posts

Drives: see sig
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: ORYGUN

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by David@ApexRaceParts View Post
The AWD does not make a difference for the wheel fitment in this instance. With the 255, we usually recommend camber plates at the least in order for your wheels to clear your fenders properly, though the 245 would not require it. The 17x9.0" ET30 with the 245/40/17 setup would be a great setup for those that do not have camber plates or aftermarket suspension, or do not have a dedicated track setup. These are one of the most popular setups for the e9x non-M for dual duty and street use. The wheels sit very flush to the fender, and does not require any additional modifications for the tires to clear as long as you are using a street tire. Extreme summer tires or R-compounds may give you trouble when you are lowered, but at stock height they should be okay.
Thanks for the info, David!
__________________
2011 e90 328i M-Sport 6MT xDrive AW / BLK

///M3 at PIR
Appreciate 0
      03-13-2013, 04:54 PM   #112
neoduffer
Fast In, Slow Out
United_States
40
Rep
586
Posts

Drives: 06 E90 330i
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SoCal, SGV

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
Ack! Arc-8 Concave 17x9 +30 sold out on the Apex website. What to do? What to do?
__________________
: Ken
Appreciate 0
      03-13-2013, 07:51 PM   #113
mlifxs
Diamond Geezer
mlifxs's Avatar
212
Rep
2,385
Posts

Drives: Jet Black 2007 328i Saloon
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Florida

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by neoduffer View Post
Ack! Arc-8 Concave 17x9 +30 sold out on the Apex website. What to do? What to do?
fyi maybe check eas tuning . They sell them, don't know if they're in stock. They're doing free shipping on APEX wheels this month.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=811688
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2013, 02:09 AM   #114
neoduffer
Fast In, Slow Out
United_States
40
Rep
586
Posts

Drives: 06 E90 330i
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SoCal, SGV

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlifxs View Post
fyi maybe check eas tuning . They sell them, don't know if they're in stock. They're doing free shipping on APEX wheels this month.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=811688
Sweet. I'm calling them tomorrow. Thanks.
__________________
: Ken
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2013, 08:28 AM   #115
DallasBoosted
Captain
DallasBoosted's Avatar
38
Rep
864
Posts

Drives: '08 E92 335i
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Dallas

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by neoduffer View Post
Ack! Arc-8 Concave 17x9 +30 sold out on the Apex website. What to do? What to do?
You can use the 17x9.5 et35 with a 5mm spacer too, thats what I'm doing.
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2013, 09:35 AM   #116
mlifxs
Diamond Geezer
mlifxs's Avatar
212
Rep
2,385
Posts

Drives: Jet Black 2007 328i Saloon
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Florida

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by DallasBoosted View Post
You can use the 17x9.5 et35 with a 5mm spacer too, thats what I'm doing.
interesting. for track only? how much camber do you need to make that work with no rubbing?
thank you
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2013, 09:42 AM   #117
mlifxs
Diamond Geezer
mlifxs's Avatar
212
Rep
2,385
Posts

Drives: Jet Black 2007 328i Saloon
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Florida

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
Hi David, guess I can pose this to you as well.

On a pre-lci E90, can one use the concave 9.5 (with or without a spacer) up front with either 255/40/17 or 245/40/17 without camber plates? Any guess as to how much camber is needed? I currently have pins pulled and m3 control arms (guessing my camber can be pushed to -1.5).
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2013, 01:03 PM   #118
Expert@ApexWheels
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Expert@ApexWheels's Avatar
3467
Rep
6,683
Posts


Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mlifxs View Post
interesting. for track only? how much camber do you need to make that work with no rubbing?
thank you
The 17X9.5” ARC-8 easily supports a 255/40/17 R-compound tire. The 255 R-compound runs much wider than the stock 255 tires and this wider wheel was designed to provide the needed sidewall support. The additional support stiffens the sidewall and with less flex the tire will resist rolling over during hard cornering. This all results in sharper handling, better tire life, and a little more fun on the track! With the wide track tires a 5mm wheel spacer is required in the front to clear the strut, and about -2.8 degrees of camber for the fronts to not rub onto the fenders.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mlifxs View Post
Hi David, guess I can pose this to you as well.

On a pre-lci E90, can one use the concave 9.5 (with or without a spacer) up front with either 255/40/17 or 245/40/17 without camber plates? Any guess as to how much camber is needed? I currently have pins pulled and m3 control arms (guessing my camber can be pushed to -1.5).
On the pre-LCI e90, you would need both a 5mm spacer and camber plates to achieve the necessary -2.8 degrees of camber in order for the front wheels to fit without rubbing onto your fenders with a 255/40/17 tire. With the 245/40/17, you would still need camber plates as it would still require a little over -2 degrees for the wheels and tires to clear your fenders properly.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2013, 01:46 PM   #119
mlifxs
Diamond Geezer
mlifxs's Avatar
212
Rep
2,385
Posts

Drives: Jet Black 2007 328i Saloon
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Florida

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by David@ApexRaceParts View Post
The 17X9.5” ARC-8 easily supports a 255/40/17 R-compound tire. The 255 R-compound runs much wider than the stock 255 tires and this wider wheel was designed to provide the needed sidewall support. The additional support stiffens the sidewall and with less flex the tire will resist rolling over during hard cornering. This all results in sharper handling, better tire life, and a little more fun on the track! With the wide track tires a 5mm wheel spacer is required in the front to clear the strut, and about -2.8 degrees of camber for the fronts to not rub onto the fenders.



On the pre-LCI e90, you would need both a 5mm spacer and camber plates to achieve the necessary -2.8 degrees of camber in order for the front wheels to fit without rubbing onto your fenders with a 255/40/17 tire. With the 245/40/17, you would still need camber plates as it would still require a little over -2 degrees for the wheels and tires to clear your fenders properly.

thank you David
Appreciate 0
      03-14-2013, 01:55 PM   #120
ashmostro
Brigadier General
United_States
1247
Rep
4,088
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4cs | 2022 M550i
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Falls Church, VA

iTrader: (27)

Subscribed. May do this mid-season...
Appreciate 0
      03-18-2013, 06:55 PM   #121
akotten
Major
akotten's Avatar
38
Rep
1,079
Posts

Drives: 2004 M3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Wichita, KS

iTrader: (2)

Anyone have pics of the 17x9 ARC-8 on an E90? There doesn't seem to be many around.
__________________
2004 E46 M3 | Imola Red on Cinnamon | Slicktop | Manual Seats | 6spd MT |
Appreciate 0
      03-18-2013, 09:08 PM   #122
MrRetep
First Lieutenant
MrRetep's Avatar
107
Rep
361
Posts

Drives: 435i M-Sport
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Irvine CA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by David@ApexRaceParts View Post
The 17X9.5” ARC-8 easily supports a 255/40/17 R-compound tire. The 255 R-compound runs much wider than the stock 255 tires and this wider wheel was designed to provide the needed sidewall support. The additional support stiffens the sidewall and with less flex the tire will resist rolling over during hard cornering. This all results in sharper handling, better tire life, and a little more fun on the track! With the wide track tires a 5mm wheel spacer is required in the front to clear the strut, and about -2.8 degrees of camber for the fronts to not rub onto the fenders.



On the pre-LCI e90, you would need both a 5mm spacer and camber plates to achieve the necessary -2.8 degrees of camber in order for the front wheels to fit without rubbing onto your fenders with a 255/40/17 tire. With the 245/40/17, you would still need camber plates as it would still require a little over -2 degrees for the wheels and tires to clear your fenders properly.
Hi David, I'm gonna piggy back off of this. I am in the market for 17" Arc-8's as well. And I'm curious is there anything you offer that will give the meaty/beefy track ready look (and also be track functional) without modifying the stock sport suspension? I know the ideal setup is what you mentioned above, spacer+camber plates. But I am trying to avoid that for now. Thanks for your help!
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2013, 06:25 PM   #123
akotten
Major
akotten's Avatar
38
Rep
1,079
Posts

Drives: 2004 M3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Wichita, KS

iTrader: (2)

So I am in the process of ordering a set of 17" Arc-8's. These will be for my 07 335xi. I've already ordered the new Dunlop star spec in a 245/40R17. How would these fit on a 9.5" wheel and on my car? I have camber plates, but would rather not use them on the street since these will be my daily tires. I was originally going to get 17x9 but they won't be available until June apparently.


Edit: After more reading, it appears the 9.5" requires some camber and a 5mm spacer....so I might be stuck waiting two months My poor snow tires..
__________________
2004 E46 M3 | Imola Red on Cinnamon | Slicktop | Manual Seats | 6spd MT |

Last edited by akotten; 03-21-2013 at 07:02 PM..
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2013, 07:57 PM   #124
3002 tii
Lieutenant General
3002 tii's Avatar
2272
Rep
12,559
Posts

Drives: Z4 M, X5, GX460
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CT

iTrader: (99)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by akotten View Post
So I am in the process of ordering a set of 17" Arc-8's. These will be for my 07 335xi. I've already ordered the new Dunlop star spec in a 245/40R17. How would these fit on a 9.5" wheel and on my car? I have camber plates, but would rather not use them on the street since these will be my daily tires. I was originally going to get 17x9 but they won't be available until June apparently.


Edit: After more reading, it appears the 9.5" requires some camber and a 5mm spacer....so I might be stuck waiting two months My poor snow tires..
If you have camber plates but don't want to use them on street, when would you use them? Install them only for track days and then remove afterwards each time?

For a 9.5, I would go 255 or 265. 245 will be stretched on a 9.5.
__________________
Follow for latest mods

Last edited by 3002 tii; 03-21-2013 at 08:54 PM..
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2013, 08:50 PM   #125
akotten
Major
akotten's Avatar
38
Rep
1,079
Posts

Drives: 2004 M3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Wichita, KS

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DSC_OFF View Post
If you have camber plates but don't want to use them on street, when would you u use them? Install them only for track days and then remove afterwards each time?

For a 9.5, I would go 255 or 265. 245 will be stretched on a 9.5.
Correct. I use the additional camber for track days and autocross and switch it back for the street. I was concerned about stretch of a 245 on a 9.5 too....even though it shouldn't be nearly as bad since they're an extreme performance summer tire. I'm thinking I'll have to end up waiting until the 17x9 becomes available again.
__________________
2004 E46 M3 | Imola Red on Cinnamon | Slicktop | Manual Seats | 6spd MT |
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2013, 08:53 PM   #126
3002 tii
Lieutenant General
3002 tii's Avatar
2272
Rep
12,559
Posts

Drives: Z4 M, X5, GX460
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CT

iTrader: (99)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by akotten View Post
Correct. I use the additional camber for track days and autocross and switch it back for the street. I was concerned about stretch of a 245 on a 9.5 too....even though it shouldn't be nearly as bad since they're an extreme performance summer tire. I'm thinking I'll have to end up waiting until the 17x9 becomes available again.
Wait you're going to uninstall camber plates every time? That makes no sense. Why not install and mark your street and track settings and switch on the fly? That's the whole point of adjustable camber plates, else you have to pay for an alignment every time...
__________________
Follow for latest mods
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2013, 09:11 PM   #127
akotten
Major
akotten's Avatar
38
Rep
1,079
Posts

Drives: 2004 M3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Wichita, KS

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DSC_OFF View Post
Wait you're going to uninstall camber plates every time? That makes no sense. Why not install and mark your street and track settings and switch on the fly? That's the whole point of adjustable camber plates, else you have to pay for an alignment every time...
Right...they are adjustable. Alignment is set using least aggressive setting and then fully adjusted yields around -3* of camber.
__________________
2004 E46 M3 | Imola Red on Cinnamon | Slicktop | Manual Seats | 6spd MT |
Appreciate 0
      03-22-2013, 07:56 PM   #128
Expert@ApexWheels
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Expert@ApexWheels's Avatar
3467
Rep
6,683
Posts


Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by akotten View Post
So I am in the process of ordering a set of 17" Arc-8's. These will be for my 07 335xi. I've already ordered the new Dunlop star spec in a 245/40R17. How would these fit on a 9.5" wheel and on my car? I have camber plates, but would rather not use them on the street since these will be my daily tires. I was originally going to get 17x9 but they won't be available until June apparently.


Edit: After more reading, it appears the 9.5" requires some camber and a 5mm spacer....so I might be stuck waiting two months My poor snow tires..
Alex, I've replied to your PM. The 245/40/17 will indeed be stretched a little bit, and you are correct that you would also need a 5mm spacer for the 17x9.5" ET35 to clear your struts. With these you would need to use your camber plates to dial in about -2.8 degrees of camber for a 255/40/17, but since you're using a 245/40/17 that stretches, you may be able to get away with a tad over -2 degrees. We just recently sold out but have a production starting for the 17x9.0" ET30 wheels as of now, and they should be here in the next 8~ weeks.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      03-30-2013, 02:11 PM   #129
Youngbp04
Private First Class
United_States
15
Rep
161
Posts

Drives: 2015 Mineral Grey M3
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

I have read through this thread and am 99% sure I know the answer to this, but want to confirm before I place my order. I have an LCI 2010 e90 335i with m-package, and I am going to get the 17/9.5 arc-8. I am going to be fitting them with 255/40/17 r-compound rubber (either R888 or nt01). I am going to get camber plate and dial it into -2.8 degrees. I will not have any issue with rubbing on the front or back correct? I have not seen in this thread if the LCI will rub in the back with this set up.

Thanks again!
Appreciate 0
      03-30-2013, 04:27 PM   #130
DallasBoosted
Captain
DallasBoosted's Avatar
38
Rep
864
Posts

Drives: '08 E92 335i
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Dallas

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngbp04 View Post
I have read through this thread and am 99% sure I know the answer to this, but want to confirm before I place my order. I have an LCI 2010 e90 335i with m-package, and I am going to get the 17/9.5 arc-8. I am going to be fitting them with 255/40/17 r-compound rubber (either R888 or nt01). I am going to get camber plate and dial it into -2.8 degrees. I will not have any issue with rubbing on the front or back correct? I have not seen in this thread if the LCI will rub in the back with this set up.

Thanks again!
You will need a 5mm spacer in the front to clear the strut. But other than that, you should be fine. I have a pre-LCI E92, so not the same as your car, but honestly it's not even close to rubbing anywhere.
Appreciate 0
      04-01-2013, 02:47 PM   #131
Youngbp04
Private First Class
United_States
15
Rep
161
Posts

Drives: 2015 Mineral Grey M3
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Do you all have a full side view shot of the car with the 17/9.5" with 255 on it? Want to see how it looks. If anyone has anything comparable I would also be interested to see!

Thanks!
Appreciate 0
      04-01-2013, 05:42 PM   #132
DallasBoosted
Captain
DallasBoosted's Avatar
38
Rep
864
Posts

Drives: '08 E92 335i
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Dallas

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngbp04 View Post
Do you all have a full side view shot of the car with the 17/9.5" with 255 on it? Want to see how it looks. If anyone has anything comparable I would also be interested to see!

Thanks!
Check the first page.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
17x9, 17x9.5, apex, arc-8, track wheels

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:20 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST