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09-24-2009, 06:23 PM | #133 |
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I am not an expert but Nice welds, looks like a good product. Please sell on the merits - its worthwhile to yours and everyone's benefit.
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Thank you! We are not here to "bash" on anyone, but since we have been attacked quite a bit, I have no choice but to defend our products.
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09-24-2009, 06:27 PM | #135 |
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Nothing wrong in defending , but defend your products by not offending others offerring . I know its hard ...that's what business is ..sometimes there are better ways to sell without negativity. Example ...I havent seen one vendor go after VK in the FMIC dept...Including ETS...they dealt it like a gentleman. Showcase your special skills alone ...you will go a long way.
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09-24-2009, 06:31 PM | #137 |
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Vbmw335 with all due respect sir. Yes Vince isn't saying verbatim that his product is better but when someone says their product is of the same quality, at half the price that is essentially saying I've go the better deal going on here.
As far as you trying o reflect my question I think the word "best" is pretty universal in the sense that which product is of better quality, welds, and on and on. I don know all the work that goes into making a downpipe so I can't say much more. Here's an example if I had a brownie and it cost 1.00 and you had a brownie that you claimed was basically the same as mine but I cost .50. Wouldn't anyone with a 3lb brain say to themselves "It seems the .50 product is a better deal." the variable in this little parable is if the products are truly relatively the same in every aspect of I being made and the materials used. |
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09-24-2009, 06:31 PM | #138 |
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I don't ever remember vince making direct comments towards ar's price. He stated from the beginning that he would not up charge pipes like other companies do he never stated a particular company. Also these are 2.5" pipes not 3" vince stated in the first gb thread that these would have around the same gains as other dp's and even noted that they might produce a little less but in the end its a negligable amount. Ar you guys have a very nice product and I think it is at a reasonable price point at 500 its just up to the consumer if they would rather have 3" or 2.5" pipes.
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We can debate this all day...but end of the day ..this is a very price sensitive market unlike Porsche or Ferrari ( as far as i can tell). So some people will buy a 300 dp's no matter what as long as it does the job. Yes the quality might be better ...but what does that translate into real world use? Its not a museum piece which won a welding competetion. X lasts more years than Y , X passes salt spray test compared to Y at certain perf metrics , X can withstand certain stress in certain driving condition... The list goes on..too many variables can affect the performance...bottomline ...the differences can be negligible to some. I know my spelling sucks ...damn MS word spell check!
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You know very well...we can talk all day ...VK and AR has their own customer base. Good Luck ! I am out of here...long day. I am racing an SL65 Renntech tuned AMG car with my 996 Tuned Turbo... cant wait to see the outcome tonight....i know i dont want to see his taillights..
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Agreed. I am WAY behind on website updating.
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I went to many different areas, and I was just telling what I saw. There is undoubtedly more exotics in Houston, but our city has more exotics per person I bet.
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WOW. That's all I can say...
I had a great deal of respect for AR and thought their downpipes had one of the best designs out on the market... It was between AR, CP-E, and VK to replace my RR downpipes I sold from when I was sponsored by them. The way that Andrew has presented himself and AR Designs in this thread has crossed them off of the list for my next set of catless downpipes. His comments were downright disrespectful, and made him look like somebody desperate to stir a bad image of VK because he can't compete with them. You should be ashamed of yourself andrew, and apologize for your threadcrapping and poor attempt to create a false reputation of VK's products. I'm leaning towards CP-E right now, but if VK performs as well as it looks, I'll be in on the next GB. |
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people lets just stop bashing on andrew he seems like a good guy that is doing a lot for this community i do not know him personally but he seems like a good respectable guy who is just asking for facts to back things up and im sure vince has those facts so nobody needs to be upset here good luck to both of you I hope you both make good money!
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