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      04-17-2012, 02:25 PM   #89
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looks like that money shifting is gonna cost you money lol

sorry i had to.

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It amazes me just how many people are just one decision away from being a criminal and don't think anything of it.

I don't care who you are, committing fraud to save yourself money (and apparently not even a lot of money relative to the cost of the vehicle we drive) is incredibly stupid, and affects us all. To those of you who get away with it, don't you think it costs the rest of us money too? The dealer and BMW don't get money out of thin air to cover warranty replacements you know. They make it back by raising service and vehicle pricing. Maybe that's why BMW service labor is so expensive.

And that's not even mentioning the actual immorality of it all.

F*ck all of you who even thought of telling the OP to try warrantying it. F*ck all of you with giant, barbed, un-lubed, searing hot exhaust pipes.
I agree with you, being honest is the best you can do, but we live in different world today, so being honest is same price, getting fucked with the same hot exhaust pipes. It is never ending battle among human race.
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There is a reason they call it a "money shift".
I'm not going to lecture anyone on proper shifting technique.
A money shift gets soured in the DME and from what I know, short of killing the DME they *WILL* be able to read the over rev.

It truly does suck but what should anyone but the OP pay for his mistake?

I've never had a money shift. I will say I do like paddle shifters and steptronic. The only thing better is DCT.
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Why should BMW cover your mistake? Its unfortunate that it happened, but you already said it was your fault so now own up to it and cover it on your dime.
people like you make me mad. why would you support multi billion dollar companies over broke people that just need help and could find a way around it?

OP. make insurance or BMW pay for it. Nice shift.
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      04-17-2012, 05:10 PM   #93
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ebay engine

Man that ebay engine looks like a sweet deal; would be nice to have that thing lying around as a spare engine or totally trick it out or something. Might be good option for OP....



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Don't feel like reading everyones comments so I am sure you have been informed of this already. The reason you car had oil spilling out of it is because you ripped one of your connecting rods from one of the pistons and inserted through the oil pan and onto the pavement about 1/4 mile from where you stopped on the side of the road. Just get one of these and everything will be just fine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-N54-N54B...ht_6375wt_1348
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Damn, that eBay engine looks like a great deal! Only downside is the 1/2009+ 6-bolt flywheel, but I doubt that makes too big of a deal.

A failure like that usually claims the ENTIRE engine - from what the OP described, I would bet real money that there is a hole in the block AND at least one or more cylinders is trashed from pistons hitting valves, breaking them off, dropping into the still rotating bottom end, and literally trashing the entire insides of multiple cylinders. There is no rebuilding of that engine, I guarantee that. You may be able to salvage certain parts off the engine such as VANOS valves, sensors, etc, but the complete block and cylinder head, and possibly cams and crank are damaged from that kind of over-rev. 2nd gear at 80+ MPH for more any amount of time is going to cost big money.

And yeah, where is the OP?!?
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people like you make me mad. why would you support multi billion dollar companies over broke people that just need help and could find a way around it?

OP. make insurance or BMW pay for it. Nice shift.
Please tell me you are trolling.
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people like you make me mad. why would you support multi billion dollar companies over broke people that just need help and could find a way around it?

OP. make insurance or BMW pay for it. Nice shift.
People like you make me mad. How old are you? Why don't you man up and realize you made a mistake and deal with it instead of trying scam your insurance or BMW for your fuck up.

I don't care if its a multi billion dollar company or a small mom and pop shop, you screwed up, deal with it. If hes broke and can't afford to fix it, he probably shouldn't be owning this car in the first place.

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And yeah, where is the OP?!?
Maybe he was trolling or maybe he realised that a 5 page long discussion on e90post(literally the first google search result for "BMW message board") of how he missed a shift and blew his engine was a bad idea. We may never know...
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It's called and automatic or dct transmission. I drive a manual so don't get me wrong, but I noticed that a lot of us look down on autos saying not for the true enthusiast. Well in this case it would not have happened.
It's ok, you're not a true enthusiast
Yeah I'm getting soft.
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People like you make me mad. How old are you? Why don't you man up and realize you made a mistake and deal with it instead of trying scam your insurance or BMW for your fuck up.

I don't care if its a multi billion dollar company or a small mom and pop shop, you screwed up, deal with it. If hes broke and can't afford to fix it, he probably shouldn't be owning this car in the first place.

/rant.
I agree with the guy you quoted.

If I paid for every mistake I've ever made, the world would be unbalanced because I sure as hell have paid for mistakes that others have made too. With that in mind, if I can get a multi-national corp like BMW to pay for some of mine, I don't feel aggrieved when I have to pay for someone else's.

Like it or don't like it, who gives a fuck? This is the world we live in, your heightened morality index isn't going to change it so I'm just going to roll with it.
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I agree with the guy you quoted.

If I paid for every mistake I've ever made, the world would be unbalanced because I sure as hell have paid for mistakes that others have made too. With that in mind, if I can get a multi-national corp like BMW to pay for some of mine, I don't feel aggrieved when I have to pay for someone else's.

Like it or don't like it, who gives a fuck? This is the world we live in, your heightened morality index isn't going to change it so I'm just going to roll with it.
You're right. Integrity, who needs it. Shits overrated.
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damn OP, i've been in a small scale situation like this before with my old car... the dealer tried saying I needed to replace the entire motor as well when all I did was warp a head gasket!!! fucking robbery! so you know what I did? I found an inside man to tell them the radiator was leaking and what do ya know... The dealer all of a sudden said it could be fixed without a replacement motor when it was on their dime now... so OP do what you can to make this situation better... because in all honesty no one out there is a saint and everyone is out there for themselves... if you've never made an immoral decision in your life, then go ahead and bash everyone saying to do the immoral... but I highly doubt that's the case here...

edit: I do however firmly believe in Karma and try to keep mine in the green... but the dealer tried to fuck me over, so I returned the favor.
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Take a sledge hammer to your oil pan and say you hit a man cover or something (I've given 4 great very immoral ideas...lets see some mroe)
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I agree with the guy you quoted.

If I paid for every mistake I've ever made, the world would be unbalanced because I sure as hell have paid for mistakes that others have made too. With that in mind, if I can get a multi-national corp like BMW to pay for some of mine, I don't feel aggrieved when I have to pay for someone else's.

Like it or don't like it, who gives a fuck? This is the world we live in, your heightened morality index isn't going to change it so I'm just going to roll with it.
You (and the others lacking morality in this thread) have it backwards bro. Your lack of morality brings the average down, CAUSING the world we live in. We shouldn't lower our morality level because the world is a tough place. It's a tough place BECAUSE of the people lacking morals. If some of you would change your attitude, the world wouldn't be as tough a place to live in.

It's nice that you don't get aggravated when you have to pay like $200/hr to BMW, but your apathy affects those of us who think BMW shouldn't charge lawyer wages for mechanical work (and don't get me started on lawyers).

P.S. to all: Sorry for my searing hot barbed exhaust pipe up the rectum comment. It was said hastily, and I wasn't nearly as worked up as it sounded.
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Take a sledge hammer to your oil pan and say you hit a man cover or something (I've given 4 great very immoral ideas...lets see some mroe)
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I ride motorcycles and most of the large sports bikes are now fitted with 'slipper' clutches which will not allow the equivalent of a money shift.

The consequences of changing down to a gear too low for the actual road speed on a motorcycle can be life-threatening as the rear wheel will lock up, and a slipper clutch disengages the drive in a situation like this.

I don't have much technical or engineering knowledge and so I don't know whether this type of solution could be used in a car.

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I ride motorcycles and most of the large sports bikes are now fitted with 'slipper' clutches which will not allow the equivalent of a money shift.

The consequences of changing down to a gear too low for the actual road speed on a motorcycle can be life-threatening as the rear wheel will lock up, and a slipper clutch disengages the drive in a situation like this.

I don't have much technical or engineering knowledge and so I don't know whether this type of solution could be used in a car.

Jack
Yea, we used to lock our dirt bike tires up all the time when shifting down to quick.
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people like you make me mad. why would you support multi billion dollar companies over broke people that just need help and could find a way around it?

OP. make insurance or BMW pay for it. Nice shift.
Because those multibillion dollar companies pass those costs onto the consumer, which is you and me by jacking up the cost of the car. So in the end we do end up paying for his mistake. But go ahead and believe in your mind that BMW is really covering this out of their pocket.
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You (and the others lacking morality in this thread) have it backwards bro. Your lack of morality brings the average down, CAUSING the world we live in. We shouldn't lower our morality level because the world is a tough place. It's a tough place BECAUSE of the people lacking morals. If some of you would change your attitude, the world wouldn't be as tough a place to live in.

It's nice that you don't get aggravated when you have to pay like $200/hr to BMW, but your apathy affects those of us who think BMW shouldn't charge lawyer wages for mechanical work (and don't get me started on lawyers).

P.S. to all: Sorry for my searing hot barbed exhaust pipe up the rectum comment. It was said hastily, and I wasn't nearly as worked up as it sounded.

To all the people who are bashing the "immoral"... you must be really naive to believe the Dealer wouldn't fuck you over in a heartbeat when presented the opportunity...

what about all the people who know nothing of the mechanics of a car and have to take the word of the dealership to have a repair made... getting ass-raped for simple repairs is not an uncommon practice in this business and I'm willing to bet it happens ALOT more often than people trying to scam the dealership. Sure, you can say the dealer makes up for it with their "goodwill" (which I actually rarely ever even hear about) but a few goodwills doesn't make up for the unimaginable amount of highway robberies they've committed on their customers... oh and simply because "they drive a BMW and can afford it" is just plain horse shit if you ask me...

Let's not forget these are the same dealers that not too long ago tried to refuse HPFP replacements and voided warranties because of a tune or DCI installed... Sorry, but if dealers can get away with taking advantage of people, why can't it be the other way around? Like I said, not everyone out there is a saint...
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lol at some of the responses in this thread. Typical young society, wanting everything for free. Not owning up to their own mistakes. More handouts.
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To all the people who are bashing the "immoral"... you must be really naive to believe the Dealer wouldn't fuck you over in a heartbeat when presented the opportunity...

what about all the people who know nothing of the mechanics of a car and have to take the word of the dealership to have a repair made... getting ass-raped for simple repairs is not an uncommon practice in this business and I'm willing to bet it happens ALOT more often than people trying to scam the dealership. Sure, you can say the dealer makes up for it with their "goodwill" (which I actually rarely ever even hear about) but a few goodwills doesn't make up for the unimaginable amount of highway robberies they've committed on their customers... oh and simply because "they drive a BMW and can afford it" is just plain horse shit if you ask me...

Let's not forget these are the same dealers that not too long ago tried to refuse HPFP replacements and voided warranties because of a tune or DCI installed... Sorry, but if dealers can get away with taking advantage of people, why can't it be the other way around? Like I said, not everyone out there is a saint...
Not all dealers screw their customers over, just the ones that are as immoral as some in this thread. In a way, you're actually supporting my point. Despite my pessimistic vew of BMW and their overcharging, I'm sure more of them then not try to do the right thing. They just end up having to rape us all come invoice time so that they can cover the costs of the jerks who game the system.

Don't think for a second that because my morals are strong that I somehow think i live in some utopia where everyone farts flowers. I'm not trying to say we all should be goody two shoes and go all stepford wives. I'm saying this world is going to hell in a hand basket because of attitudes just like yours.

In any case, my point (at least in this post) is that the solution to handle immoral individuals or companies is not to to beat them by becoming immoral or more immoral. Beat them by not being immoral, and taking responsibility for ones actions. It doesn't protect you from attempts of immorality against you, but it certainly helps the good side in the "immorality battle".
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