[NotQuickEnough]

What should I be expecting to pay for a 2011 335i with sport, navi and 6-speed manual? Assuming reasonable kms, does 30k sound about right?

[e90Nate]

lot of factors, what side of the country you are on, if its cpo etc. i would guess $35k would be a reasonable price

[bobblehead]

too high.

$27.5K is what you can shoot for. (assuming it's clean and no accident)

[e90Nate]

here is a list of all them in the country, good luck at 27.5
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/bmw/3%...=True&wcp=True

[bobblehead]

I know. They can ask for the sky all year long if they want... it does not mean that's the price they will get. To me, the car is worth is less than 30K. For reference, a 328 would be going for low to mid $20's. high 20's for cpo.

It's always up to you on how bad you want the car at a decent & fair price. If you are going to pay a hefty premium (above fair value), then the car better to be in perfect and imac. conditions.

Originally Posted by e90Nate

here is a list of all them in the country, good luck at 27.5
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/bmw/3%...=True&wcp=True

[xXSupa]

I believe every city is different, but 27.5k sounds steep.

From my experience (Vancouver, BC):
I bought my 2011 E92 last June, and I paid 35k before taxes (After lots of negotiating) from a private seller. It was fully loaded and only had 23k KMs on it, so I felt like that was a good deal. Dealers had similar cars listed for 39k, 40k on their sites.

If you want a N55 with low KMs and good options, I'd say expect to pay at least 30k before taxes.

[bobblehead]

OP does not even mentioned if the car is fully loaded or not. I based my comment on a pretty based model with very little options.

[e90Nate]

Originally Posted by bobblehead

OP does not even mentioned if the car is fully loaded or not. I based my comment on a pretty based model with very little options.

maybe thats my confusion as i assumed when he said msport that it would be fully loaded, a basic no sport package no nav model could be had for sub 30k for sure

[bobblehead]

OP does not even say if it's xdrive or RWD. Right now, assuming RWD.

A brand new one back then with the mentioned items, it went for about $57K, therefore, after 3 yrs+ of depreciation. I can say 50% depreciation is fair to say, thus that's why I said $27.5K but certainly below $30K. Again, I feel this is a fair value and for those who are asking well into the mid $30Ks (as they think they have a highly prized car ? or heavily modded machine ?), it's better to let them keep the car. Technically, the car is already 4 yrs old and the depreciation would have been near 45% residual range at most.

[Revn29k00]

It may be tough to find an clean e92 with reasonable mileage for $30k. As a reference last October I bought a 2011 e90 335i with 75,000km, 3 sets of wheels (original, snows and aftermarket summers) 6 speed, nav, comfort access, cold weather package and cpo warranty until April 2016. With some negotiating I paid $28k

I searched for months and anything that was below $30k was junk. Bald tires, body and paint damage and interiors were terrible. I'd rather pay a few thousand $$$ more and buy from a car enthusiast who takes care of there cars. Just my 2 cents

[d-burn]

Originally Posted by bobblehead

OP does not even say if it's xdrive or RWD. Right now, assuming RWD.

A brand new one back then with the mentioned items, it went for about $57K, therefore, after 3 yrs+ of depreciation. I can say 50% depreciation is fair to say, thus that's why I said $27.5K but certainly below $30K. Again, I feel this is a fair value and for those who are asking well into the mid $30Ks (as they think they have a highly prized car ? or heavily modded machine ?), it's better to let them keep the car. Technically, the car is already 4 yrs old and the depreciation would have been near 45% residual range at most.

Wow...someone is out of touch with reality. Depreciation does not work on an exact scale. It's all about supply/demand and what premium a buyer is willing to pay for certain options, condition, etc. For a MSport+Nav (assuming also Exec) 2011 335i you are looking into the low-to-mid-30's for a CPO with low KM's...if you get lucky and find a clean one.

[bobblehead]

Out of touch with reality ? No, not at all ... what you are suggesting the price should be a lot higher (well into the mid to high $30's) may be true if this is fully loaded 2011 335 (when brand new it would be in the mid $60's) ... but you sounded as this is a collector's and limited edition car that is extremely rare to find. A search in the used car online sites will yield hundreds of 335 out there which you must already know.

I do understand no current owner of a bimmer would want to hear their car is only worth $xxx after dishing out $75K for a loaded 2011 335 fully loaded just about 3-4 yrs ago.

Lastly, based on your below specifications as compared to my lightly optioned analysis, we are not even talking 'apple to apple'. In the end, you have your view and I have mine.

I am sure used car dealer is going to love you if you do buy a used bimmer from them as you are willing to pay some crazy premium.

Originally Posted by d-burn

Wow...someone is out of touch with reality. Depreciation does not work on an exact scale. It's all about supply/demand and what premium a buyer is willing to pay for certain options, condition, etc. For a MSport+Nav (assuming also Exec) 2011 335i you are looking into the low-to-mid-30's for a CPO with low KM's...if you get lucky and find a clean one.

[d-burn]

Originally Posted by bobblehead

Out of touch with reality ? No, not at all ... what you are suggesting the price should be a lot higher (well into the mid to high $30's) may be true if this is fully loaded 2011 335 (when brand new it would be in the mid $60's) ... but you sounded as this is a collector's and limited edition car that is extremely rare to find. A search in the used car online sites will yield hundreds of 335 out there which you must already know.

I do understand no current owner of a bimmer would want to hear their car is only worth $xxx after dishing out $75K for a loaded 2011 335 fully loaded just about 3-4 yrs ago.

Lastly, based on your below specifications as compared to my lightly optioned analysis, we are not even talking 'apple to apple'. In the end, you have your view and I have mine.

I am sure used car dealer is going to love you if you do buy a used bimmer from them as you are willing to pay some crazy premium.

The OP's question was in regards to what a fair price on a 2011 335i coupe with Msport and Navi, and 6 speed (not automatic) would be, with reasonable KM's...not what a 4-door automatic with zero options and higher KM's would be worth...yes we need to talk apples to apples. You are not answering the OP's question correctly, which is where the issue lies. Msport and Navi optioned cars usually have Executive too, thus fully loaded with every possible option...This alone can add $7 or $8 of used value vs. the same car with no options. Then coupes garner a $1-2k premium over 4-doors, and he wants a 6 speed coupe with these options, and reasonable KM's, for which there is a much smaller supply chain. Thus, if one was found low-to-mid 30's in good condition it would be fair vs. $27.5K for one that is 4-door, auto, and has no options.

[bobblehead]

He says Sport, NOT Msport coupe, no mentioning of RWD or AWD. I assumed it's RWD.

Price is already $3000 difference when brand new.


Let's assume it's 2011 335 coupe Xdrive - manual

price new:

$54,100 + $2,000 Nav option + $1,600 sport option = $57,700 MSRP


4+yrs old car fair value:

@60% residual, it would be at $34,600

@50% residual, it would be at $28,850


Certainly, if you think a 4+yrs old car is worth $35K, then by all means, go right ahead and buy it. I am simply saying the car is more inline of fair value with about 45-50% residual. After all, like I was saying ... if you highly prized the car, then pay whatever you want.

[paintballdude05]

I paid around $34k pre-taxes for me 2011 e92 with 85k km's on it. It's CPO, M-Sport, Executive, iDrive, xdrive, auto and a few more options that I can't recall. This was at a dealer, clean CarProof, relatively clean body. I found it hard to find a similarly optioned car (wasn't partial to xdrive or not) that was priced this low. I was only looking at CPO's though.

[bobblehead]

In your case, when brand new, the total comes to $66,000 before tax

If you bought this recently or last year, I imagine/guess the listing price by the dealer at around $36,500 (CPO's) and you negotiate this down to $34K

Originally Posted by paintballdude05

I paid around $34k pre-taxes for me 2011 e92 with 85k km's on it. It's CPO, M-Sport, Executive, iDrive, xdrive, auto and a few more options that I can't recall. This was at a dealer, clean CarProof, relatively clean body. I found it hard to find a similarly optioned car (wasn't partial to xdrive or not) that was priced this low. I was only looking at CPO's though.

[NotQuickEnough]

Thanks for the input all. RWD vs Xdrive is not as important to me as the other options that's why I didn't specify. I've been doing lots of searching and yes the options I want there is a very limited selection of cars available. I've seen one as high as 38k.

Another q about aftermarket warranty. Is it worth it? Do they cover gasket leaks, injectors and WP? The typical problem areas.

[paintballdude05]

Originally Posted by bobblehead

In your case, when brand new, the total comes to $66,000 before tax

If you bought this recently or last year, I imagine/guess the listing price by the dealer at around $36,500 (CPO's) and you negotiate this down to $34K

Was $35k plus dealer "licensing fees", I got them down to $34k everything (minus taxes) included. They were motivated to get it off the lot as it was month end. This was in August of 2014 and from a dealer in Quebec.

[bobblehead]

^ so I guessed almost right on ...

[paintballdude05]

Originally Posted by bobblehead

^ so I guessed almost right on ...

That you were! Where are you getting your numbers for initial purchase price?

[bobblehead]

I have the 2011 complete ordering guide (PDF) for the 3 series sedan & coupe.

[paintballdude05]

Would it be possible for you to share that file with me? I'm interested in seeing all the options possible and the different costs of them.