Difference between 13538648937 injectors and 13538616079

Ten-Zing · 02-05-2017, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyW

Um...No.

. Do they even sell that anymore?

No, not in the US. But Molson Japan produces it and sells it in Japan. Apparently as recently as 2016 you could order it on Amazon. Which is now oddly tempting to do.

AndyW · 02-05-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ten-Zing

No, not in the US. But Molson Japan produces it and sells it in Japan. Apparently as recently as 2016 you could order it on Amazon. Which is now oddly tempting to do.

Interesting...had no idea. And I agree with the oddly tempting part, just to have a bottle as a conversation piece(I have an unopened bottle of Ukrainian vodka in my cabinet). Sadly, it doesn't appear to be on amazon anymore...but you can get coasters and T-shirts! LOL.

Ten-Zing · 02-16-2017, 04:21 PM

Just an update - I ordered 6 injectors from BMWpartswarehouse and just received them today. The injectors I received were exactly like the ones shown in AndyW's pics. Same plastic container, same covers and same part numbers.

bmwpartswarehouse called me to tell me the injectors come up as 'not for my vehicle' so I had to ensure them it was fine and to send them.

I will install this weekend unless I decide to drop the car off at a shop - like I said, I qualify for reimbursement for parts and labor from BMW.

In total the 6 Index 12 injectors with rings rang up to around $750 total with shipping.

titium · 02-16-2017, 08:04 PM

for those who think the 937 injectors are new checkout n63 Wikipedia page in particular the customer care package section look at the dates on the edits and when the 937 part was added

AndyW · 02-16-2017, 11:13 PM

So, these have been installed for a couple weeks. No codes. No issues. Ran on a dyno Wed to tweak my custom tune, pulled 380WHP and over 400lb-ft on 92 octane. No issues, no codes. These injectors are fine.

WRT the wiki article for N63...the service bulletin is from 2014 but it also lists the index number for the 937 as "11 or greater" which means in 2014, that number was on index 11, not 12. They are now index 12 so definitely newer.

titium · 02-17-2017, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyW

WRT the wiki article for N63...the service bulletin is from 2014 but it also lists the index number for the 937 as "11 or greater" which means in 2014, that number was on index 11, not 12. They are now index 12 so definitely newer.

not correct it lists 11 or greater because index 11 incorporates the same internal material differences and compensating oil as index 12 and if there is an index 11 installed in the car there is no need to change it.

if you look at the latest updated SIB for the n63 issued in august 2016 it still states 11 or greater not 12.

AndyW · 02-17-2017, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by titium

not correct it lists 11 or greater because index 11 incorporates the same internal material differences and compensating oil as index 12 and if there is an index 11 installed in the car there is no need to change it.

if you look at the latest updated SIB for the n63 issued in august 2016 it still states 11 or greater not 12.

OK, I can see that. But 12 is still the newest version of either BMW-numbered injector AFAIK. The part numbers on the actual injectors are the same (261), they work great and are less expensive.

titium · 02-17-2017, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyW

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Originally Posted by titium

not correct it lists 11 or greater because index 11 incorporates the same internal material differences and compensating oil as index 12 and if there is an index 11 installed in the car there is no need to change it.

if you look at the latest updated SIB for the n63 issued in august 2016 it still states 11 or greater not 12.

OK, I can see that. But 12 is still the newest version of either BMW-numbered injector AFAIK. The part numbers on the actual injectors are the same (261), they work great and are less expensive.

yep point I was trying to make is that the 937s are nothing new they've been around for ages and I'm 99% certain they are exactly the same as the 079 -12 injectors

bmwmike89 · 02-18-2017, 09:31 AM

interesting

MysticRob · 02-18-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by titium

yep point I was trying to make is that the 937s are nothing new they've been around for ages and I'm 99% certain they are exactly the same as the 079 -12 injectors

Thanks for helping clarify these part #s. My 2009 with 134k miles has five index 07s, and one index 09. If I have fuel injector issues post-tune I'll be upgrading all 6 to these index 12s asap. Bookmarked all the info I could, so appreciate it all!

AndyW · 02-18-2017, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by titium

yep point I was trying to make is that the 937s are nothing new they've been around for ages and I'm 99% certain they are exactly the same as the 079 -12 injectors

OK. Agree with you!

titium · 02-18-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticRob

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Originally Posted by titium

yep point I was trying to make is that the 937s are nothing new they've been around for ages and I'm 99% certain they are exactly the same as the 079 -12 injectors

Thanks for helping clarify these part #s. My 2009 with 134k miles has five index 07s, and one index 09. If I have fuel injector issues post-tune I'll be upgrading all 6 to these index 12s asap. Bookmarked all the info I could, so appreciate it all!

134k you're doing alright. i had atleast two leaking possibly 3 at 100k km and 3 replaced by the previous owner before that (all index 7s I'm assuming)

mj6234 · 02-18-2017, 09:02 PM

I had 4 index 7s, 1 index 8 and 1 index 9 (which only had 3000 miles on it). Just swapped them all with a fresh batch of index 12s (with the 937 part number) and all is fine.

FWIW, my index 8 and 9 were fine. 2 of the 4 index 7s were leaking. One badly. The injector that was in the index 9's spot previously was a 7 and I replaced it because it failed in a big way (car undriveable).

I am sure people already know, but just because no misfires or obvious issues doesn't mean things are 100%.

I just rolled over 90K miles and I know the prior lot of injectors were not in there all of the 90K. I think they were put in before I got the car, which was around 30K miles.

AndyW · 02-18-2017, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mj6234

I had 4 index 7s, 1 index 8 and 1 index 9 (which only had 3000 miles on it). Just swapped them all with a fresh batch of index 12s (with the 937 part number) and all is fine.

FWIW, my index 8 and 9 were fine. 2 of the 4 index 7s were leaking. One badly. The injector that was in the index 9's spot previously was a 7 and I replaced it because it failed in a big way (car undriveable).

I am sure people already know, but just because no misfires or obvious issues doesn't mean things are 100%.

I just rolled over 90K miles and I know the prior lot of injectors were not in there all of the 90K. I think they were put in before I got the car, which was around 30K miles.

Based on my experience with my own car (127k), and several years of research while I was adding parts/refreshing/tuning it; IMO after 50k, injectors are on borrowed time and you should probably change them all when the first one starts acting up. Kinda like water pumps on these cars after 75K. YMMV.

titium · 02-18-2017, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyW

Based on my experience with my own car (127k), and several years of research while I was adding parts/refreshing/tuning it; IMO after 50k, injectors are on borrowed time and you should probably change them all when the first one starts acting up. Kinda like water pumps on these cars after 75K. YMMV.

had any -12's fail on you yet?

they've been out for a few years now and when i spoke to a tech he said he hasn't seen any -12 come in that have failed.

AndyW · 02-18-2017, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by titium

had any -12's fail on you yet?

they've been out for a few years now and when i spoke to a tech he said he hasn't seen any -12 come in that have failed.

Just installed my first set of 12's, so...No.

Jeef · 02-19-2017, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by titium

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Originally Posted by AndyW

Based on my experience with my own car (127k), and several years of research while I was adding parts/refreshing/tuning it; IMO after 50k, injectors are on borrowed time and you should probably change them all when the first one starts acting up. Kinda like water pumps on these cars after 75K. YMMV.

had any -12's fail on you yet?

they've been out for a few years now and when i spoke to a tech he said he hasn't seen any -12 come in that have failed.

I've seen one fail.

E92_335ispacegrey · 03-11-2017, 10:38 AM

[QUOTE=AndyW;21224768]Injectors replaced and coded. Runs fine. No codes. Still need to do a proper test drive...had some adult beverages while working on the car...

Test drive will have to be tomorrow...[/QUOTE

have your injectors worked properly since you got them? my car is on old index 4s and one of them has a massive leak, rather do all at once..
im also looking at that vendor so if you can please give me your feedback i will appreciate it...

E92_335ispacegrey · 03-11-2017, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyW

Just installed my first set of 12's, so...No.

have your injectors worked properly since you got them? my car is on old index 4s and one of them has a massive leak, rather do all at once..
im also looking at that vendor so if you can please give me your feedback i would appreciate it...

AndyW · 03-11-2017, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by E92_335ispacegrey

have your injectors worked properly since you got them? my car is on old index 4s and one of them has a massive leak, rather do all at once..
im also looking at that vendor so if you can please give me your feedback i would appreciate it...

Yep. working great. And I order from FCPeuro fairly regularly for a lot of BMW and Merc parts. (I own an SLK320 also)

E92_335ispacegrey · 03-11-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyW

Yep. working great. And I order from FCPeuro fairly regularly for a lot of BMW and Merc parts. (I own an SLK320 also)

awesome man!! thank you now i can finally order without being worried

MysticRob · 03-11-2017, 11:52 PM

Well, I just had the dreaded misfire code for cylinder 4, even though I recently replaced plugs and coils on all 6 cylinders. I'll be taking the coils and plugs out of 4 (and all the others while I'm at it to inspect plug pattern, fuel leakage, etc, just in case) and likely swap to see if the issue follows those parts, or if the injector in #4 is crapped out.

I came across a hell of a deal for the 13538648937 injectors on the bmwpartswarehouse.com site @ $108 each. https://www.bmwpartswarehouse.com/Pr...48937&CartID=1

The street address on that site maps to BMW of San Francisco. Curious if it's really BMW of SF or if it's a front end for some other place making itself LOOK like BMW of SF. Anyone know for sure? Figure I'll call BMW of SF to see what they can verify. Might just drive up there and avoid the $38 shipping charge and buy all 6.

And since I'm on five index -07s, and one -09, I'm curious how old these injectors I'm running actually are.
Anyone have any idea when the different indexes were released?

02-16-2017, 04:21 PM	#25
Ten-Zing Private 27 Rep 64 Posts Drives: 2010 335i x-drive MT Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Minneapolis MN iTrader: (0)	Just an update - I ordered 6 injectors from BMWpartswarehouse and just received them today. The injectors I received were exactly like the ones shown in AndyW's pics. Same plastic container, same covers and same part numbers. bmwpartswarehouse called me to tell me the injectors come up as 'not for my vehicle' so I had to ensure them it was fine and to send them. I will install this weekend unless I decide to drop the car off at a shop - like I said, I qualify for reimbursement for parts and labor from BMW. In total the 6 Index 12 injectors with rings rang up to around $750 total with shipping.
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titium Major 327 Rep 960 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 135i Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Sydney iTrader: (0)	for those who think the 937 injectors are new checkout n63 Wikipedia page in particular the customer care package section look at the dates on the edits and when the 937 part was added
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AndyW Supreme Galactic Commander (one galaxy over...) 667 Rep 1,777 Posts Drives: '08 E93, '12 E82, '13 E93 M3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Washington, USA iTrader: (5)	So, these have been installed for a couple weeks. No codes. No issues. Ran on a dyno Wed to tweak my custom tune, pulled 380WHP and over 400lb-ft on 92 octane. No issues, no codes. These injectors are fine. WRT the wiki article for N63...the service bulletin is from 2014 but it also lists the index number for the 937 as "11 or greater" which means in 2014, that number was on index 11, not 12. They are now index 12 so definitely newer. __________________ Best, Andy '12 E82-PS2,Stoptechs,Clubsports+M3 bits,Accusump,Wagner DP+EVO III FMIC,ERCP,BMS Intake,Mason Strut Bar,Wedge Tune
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bmwmike89 Private First Class 23 Rep 149 Posts Drives: e90 m3, f10 m5 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Menomonee Falls, WI iTrader: (0)	interesting
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mj6234 Private First Class 31 Rep 105 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: US iTrader: (0)	I had 4 index 7s, 1 index 8 and 1 index 9 (which only had 3000 miles on it). Just swapped them all with a fresh batch of index 12s (with the 937 part number) and all is fine. FWIW, my index 8 and 9 were fine. 2 of the 4 index 7s were leaking. One badly. The injector that was in the index 9's spot previously was a 7 and I replaced it because it failed in a big way (car undriveable). I am sure people already know, but just because no misfires or obvious issues doesn't mean things are 100%. I just rolled over 90K miles and I know the prior lot of injectors were not in there all of the 90K. I think they were put in before I got the car, which was around 30K miles.
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E92_335ispacegrey New Member 2 Rep 14 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Bakersfield ca iTrader: (0)	whats your feedback [QUOTE=AndyW;21224768]Injectors replaced and coded. Runs fine. No codes. Still need to do a proper test drive...had some adult beverages while working on the car... Test drive will have to be tomorrow...[/QUOTE have your injectors worked properly since you got them? my car is on old index 4s and one of them has a massive leak, rather do all at once.. im also looking at that vendor so if you can please give me your feedback i will appreciate it...
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MysticRob Captain 573 Rep 870 Posts Drives: 2009 335i E90 Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Fremont, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335i E90 S ... [10.00]	Well, I just had the dreaded misfire code for cylinder 4, even though I recently replaced plugs and coils on all 6 cylinders. I'll be taking the coils and plugs out of 4 (and all the others while I'm at it to inspect plug pattern, fuel leakage, etc, just in case) and likely swap to see if the issue follows those parts, or if the injector in #4 is crapped out. I came across a hell of a deal for the 13538648937 injectors on the bmwpartswarehouse.com site @ $108 each. https://www.bmwpartswarehouse.com/Pr...48937&CartID=1 The street address on that site maps to BMW of San Francisco. Curious if it's really BMW of SF or if it's a front end for some other place making itself LOOK like BMW of SF. Anyone know for sure? Figure I'll call BMW of SF to see what they can verify. Might just drive up there and avoid the $38 shipping charge and buy all 6. And since I'm on five index -07s, and one -09, I'm curious how old these injectors I'm running actually are. Anyone have any idea when the different indexes were released? __________________ 2008 E61 535xi Sport Wagon / 100k Miles / Deep Sea Blue Metallic / Natural Brown Interior / MHD Stage 1 91 CA-Octane Tune. SOLD - 2009 E90 335i M-Sport Sedan / 143k Miles / Alpine White Exterior / Chestnut Brown Interior / Mishimoto FMIC / xHP Stage 2. Last edited by MysticRob; 03-12-2017 at 03:25 AM..
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