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08-20-2012, 09:27 AM | #45 |
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08-20-2012, 09:48 AM | #47 | |
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Many on this forum are complaining about even 335i understeering with stock tires and suspension. I'm sure that it can be helped with "right" tire/suspension/driver, though as you said. I'd be hesitant in changing the driver myself though |
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08-20-2012, 11:14 AM | #48 |
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08-20-2012, 11:49 AM | #49 | |
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08-22-2012, 11:51 PM | #51 |
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Not really. I've got 15mm Dinan bar and it makes a pretty measurable difference. I get easily get the car up on 3 wheels now and I got lots of wheel spin when the car is on an uneven surface. 335s will get wheel spin during hard cornering and acceleration.
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08-23-2012, 12:13 AM | #52 |
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What does Dinan do for bushings w/their rear roll bar? Poly?
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08-23-2012, 01:06 AM | #53 |
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Yes and no, but in the case of E36/E46 and now the E82/E9x BMW's a stiffer front bar actually reduces understeer. How? By reducing roll induced postive camber changes. A larger front bar reduces body roll and keeps the outside front tire more upgright in a turn and when a tire is more upgright and not riding on its sidewall, you have more traction!
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08-23-2012, 09:01 AM | #54 |
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I'm not too sure but it looks like its just rubber.
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I have Whiteline Sway in mind also (20MM) but they are adjustable. Anyone have them installed? |
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08-23-2012, 10:33 AM | #56 |
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Yes, it is possible. Besides material, lever arm length, number of curves and solid vs hollow can all contribute to the rate.
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08-23-2012, 10:49 AM | #58 |
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I only replaced the front sway bar with the M3 e93 and the car feels great. I've taken 90degree turns going approx 30mph and had no understeer. I do have the M3 links front and back with coilovers.
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We would typically tune with spring rates first, then use anti roll bar or bars at the very end to balance the handling or make fine balance adjustments. Remember, larger/stiffer isn't better. Lifting the inside tire off of the ground in a turn may look cool, but it's the the fastest. If you can't alter spring rates, a larger than stock bar or bars or adjustable ones will have to do. |
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08-25-2012, 09:35 PM | #62 | |
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That said the M3 bars are noticeably stiffer than stock sport pkg. Only upgrade the front one, the rear is unnecessary since we are not FWD. Keep in mind that none of this will increase the maximum possible grip of your car ... it's just altering how the load transfer happens. Best way to get more grip is to get better tires. Edit: Harold beat me to it.
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08-26-2012, 09:48 AM | #65 |
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I really don't understand how putting just a front sway bar reduces understeer. Doesn't make sense to me.
I was thinking, with a decent set of coil-overs, trying the M3 rear first. Then if it's too twitchy, put the M3 front since it's cheaper and easier to replace compared to back. I am hoping that just the M3 rear bar would be "FUN".. |
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