[Dave W.]

Originally Posted by Bitco23

Tony still hasn't answered why my turbos blew up in 300 miles, my PCV system was working fine. my car was NOT smoking on stock turbos. I'm waiting for an answer? and a catch can will only mask the issue.

Agree, catch can is not required with any of the other turbo upgrades. How much boost were you running?

[Bme30]

Originally Posted by Myrder

Makes sense. Did Eurowerks not notice oil in the intake pipes before installing your turbos? I assume this issue would have been prevalent on the stock turbos as well. Either way seems like some steps were missed somewhere and people didn't listen or proper work on install was overlooked.

The ops stock turbos did not smoke before the vargas upgrades. I see his car regularly and he has stock turbo wg rattle and ZERO SMOKE, so he decided to upgrade the turbos.

[TurboBimmer]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

The origin of the problem is the design of the turbos. Vargas stage 2 turbos do NOT have their CHRA upgraded. Using the performance that the TD04 wheels would enable, will cause the stock TD03 CHRA blow oil. The way to avoid blowing oil is to stick with the power levels of stock turbos and CHRAs. But then, what is the point of buying upgraded turbos, if the bottleneck is the stock CHRA and you cannot use the turbos to their capacity without blowing oil? It does not help much to get the refund, does it? Its better to get a proper upgrade to start with rather than waste time with a badly designed one.

Interesting how Tony never commented on this.

[BigHoncho]

Originally Posted by Autobahn335i

Interesting how Tony never commented on this.

I thought the "upgraded thrust" is the CHRA?

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by Autobahn335i

I know for a fact that almost all VTT Stage 2 Turbos from a groupbuy in Germany/Switzerland leaked oil.

Indeed. Quite a disaster.

The positive anticipation in relation to the VTT upgrades on the German forums has turned into severe disappointment. Add to that the enormous labour costs every time you need to replace the turbos due to them leaking oil, and the weeks of downtime because VTT does not supply replacement turbos, people are getting a really bad image of these products.

Obviously an aftermarket turbo producer is not responsible for installation mistakes. However, I do see a pattern here as to my knowledge in every instance reputable shops with loads of experience were used. If the product is flawed from the start, I would expect to get a replacement overnighted (Rob Beck does that, by the way) and be compensated for the labour costs.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by Bitco23

Also please advise what is not truthful about my story and these "hidden" facts that i never brought up?

Did you miss his post?

Originally Posted by Vargasturbotech

Refused to help you out in anyway? We gave John a full refund no questions asked before we even inspected the turbos, because he was at his wits end with you. We were in communication with John at Eurowerks for the entire process. He is a great guy with a great shop. Lets tell the real story here, when he installed the turbos. He gave you a list of things he thought you should upgrade as well, PCV and catch can were only a couple of them. You refused them all, citing you didn't have the money. Well once you started having issues you then wanted to take johns advice. It seems it might have been too late. Its unfortunate when situations like this arise, but from speaking with John you were rude, not understanding in anyway and actually had lawyers calling his shop.

In the end a full refund was made before we even had them back and John let me know he even refunded your labor. After all that you want to post something saying everyone involved refused to help you in anyway? Well that's one way to do things. Its not honest or correct. But one way to do them. We apologize for any inconvenience the process may have called you. Good luck

[techwhiz]

Originally Posted by shmorgan77

I had vargas turbos that failed in 50 MILES........ Not even broken in yet

MTBF - Mean Time Between Failure

There is a bell curve that defines MTBF.
You will have units that fail in testing.
You will have units fail right after install.
The majority of units will sit under the bell and last a long time.
There will be some on the other side that will just go on forever.

People act like a turbo is different from any other manufactured piece of hardware.

In every class of products you get some infant mortality....

[techwhiz]

Originally Posted by Riick

Having owned multiple turbo cars for years... catch cans and PCV valves don't blow oil seals. Sorry.

You know what blows oil seals in a week? Shit quality chinese cartridges. Any decent turbo should be able to handle 30psi without any negative side effects for years.

Really 30 PSI?
You don't know turbos.

[TurboBimmer]

Originally Posted by techwhiz

MTBF - Mean Time Between Failure

There is a bell curve that defines MTBF.
You will have units that fail in testing.
You will have units fail right after install.
The majority of units will sit under the bell and last a long time.
There will be some on the other side that will just go on forever.

People act like a turbo is different from any other manufactured piece of hardware.

In every class of products you get some infant mortality....

Do you work at VTT marketing? What is your claim based on that a majority of units "last a long time"?? Maybe it's time to open your eyes. At this rate of failure there is either a serious quality control problem or a conceptual issue.

My bet is on the later as VTT has experience in turbo builds. Therefore I can't imagine he cheaped out on essential parts. But maybe he just didn't account for some specificies of the N54 setup.

[HGreen335]

so at this point to summarize we have

1. Severe problems with group buy turbos sent to Germany/Switzerland (leaking oil)
2. Severe problems with a number of turbos sent to Canada
3. Customer who had turbos blow after 50 miles of use
4. Claims that a PCV upgrade and oil catch can are needed for Vargas turbos
5. OP that had his turbo's go after 300 miles of use
6. Snaggletooth who claims he also had a similar problem as OP but was resolved with vargas


It's understandable that there is going to be some botched installs or even a couple of failed units but when this is happening over and over... you start to wonder.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Bitco23

Tony still hasn't answered why my turbos blew up in 300 miles, my PCV system was working fine. my car was NOT smoking on stock turbos. I'm waiting for an answer? and a catch can will only mask the issue.

Start your own thread? Contact Vargas directly?

[foghat]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Start your own thread?

This is his thread...

[scottp999]

This is why I think it is important to know what is in the box you are getting. People say to just pick one of the available options (stage 2 hybrid twin type) and you can't go wrong, suggesting they are all the same. They are not the same in many ways. Everyone should know what they are getting and pick based on their own judgement combined with wide existing customer feedback.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by foghat

This is his thread...

hah, you are right. my fail.

I always wondered if either Rob or Tony actually tested the finished assemblies. My guess is no, which surprises me as most manufacturers test the product before shipping...probably a hassle to make up a rig...

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by scottp999

This is why I think it is important to know what is in the box you are getting. People say to just pick one of the available options (stage 2 hybrid twin type) and you can't go wrong, suggesting they are all the same. They are not the same in many ways. Everyone should know what they are getting and pick based on their own judgement combined with wide existing customer feedback.

I think if one has been following these topics for the last 2 years and saw how things turned out... then the choice is more than obvious.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I think if one has been following these topics for the last 2 years and saw how things turned out... then the choice is more than obvious.

I almost want to make a thread documenting it all...

[shmorgan77]

Originally Posted by Torgus

I almost want to make a thread documenting it all...

Please do. That'd be great

[BigHoncho]

Here is another issue I found:

Tony is very helpful and knowledgable, but VTT has questionable quality control standards. The first set of S2B2 I received had a oil leaking rear turbo. Tony did admit that the oil leak was due to their machining and mentioned that it was being corrected for future turbos. The replacement turbo made loud metal grinding sounds. He did refund the purchase price for the S2B2 Turbos without any hassle, but did not compensate for the HPFP upgrade. He was unwilling to offset any labor costs for both the turbos and the HPFP debacle, but he does have a disclaimer on his order form. I would not have a problem with that if his products were not defective from the start.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=977844

[MMMCOOKIES55]

Originally Posted by V8bait

Lol, oh e90, the feels and opinions you children have... I'd say it's like highschoool, but it's sometimes more like preschool

+1

[Bitco23]

Tony i'm still waiting to hear your response to why my turbos blew in 300 miles??

[Glowin]

I don't get why he's not here replying to the questions... Does he think avoiding this and not being transparent is actually good for his business? You can't use the internet to sell things and then ignore it when things go sideways...

[Zombie1]

I'd like I know why so many of you guys are defending Vargas like he's your fucking boyfriend. OP got shafted no other way to look at it. OP had a very reputable shop do the work, it's not like he had a mom and pop shop do the install.