help me: Buying a used car

Rivenscyr · 09-26-2011, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pcockley

I reckon my first bike (Suzuki Across) would blow a 320d out of the water

I could ride my mountain bike faster than a zuki accross could accelerate at full throttle

pcockley · 09-26-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivenscyr

I could ride my mountain bike faster than a zuki accross could accelerate at full throttle

So by inference, you are saying you could out perform a 320d cool

pcockley · 09-26-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by playwithonehand

I did say "some of the 3.0l model" refers to 330d and 125i. All runs were really close and just slightly edge out at the end.

Not to brag abt tq etc... but just saying not a bad 2.0l N47 engine for 60% price of 335i.

And definitely for a bargain hunter like me i am happy with the money worth.

Sorry I must be missing something because I thought a 125 was a 2.5l

playwithonehand · 09-26-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnydad

I regularly drive both 325i and 320d - the 325i has 54K and the 320d has 22K at present. The smoothness, refinement, throttle response of the petrol 6 is noticeably superior - when you are in the sweet spot, the 320d is surprisingly quick, agreed, and certainly more economical, but I personally don't feel it is as cut and dried as is made out.

Moot point as soon there will be no more N/A straight 6's.

Agree
You do get turbo lag on 320d and drived a NA6, 3l for the very first i was wow at how much faster it kick off the line. (0 turbo lag)
Straightline NA will launch faster but turbo catch up and they quite even.

So back to OP, say if your narrow done between 09-325i/320d whats more important to you?
*Can you live with the clatter to save fuel? (also put up with pcockley nok nok nok daily

)
*Performance upgradability, turbo will shine here for sure. 44/103 vs 12
*325i have much better sound and have sick exhaust upgrade.
*Even after muffler delete the D still have little to non exhaust sound.
*25i slightly faster by 0.3 0-100 but 2.0d will be around 10-20k cheaper (2nd hand price)

good luck

johnnydad · 09-26-2011, 09:28 PM

Agree^

Except clatter is too strong a word - just that the 6 is so smooth, linear and revvy.

sbce90 · 09-26-2011, 11:45 PM

Dave you need to let up a bit on the 320d is awesome thing. It's good car - we know.

Stuart@BMRAutowerkes · 09-27-2011, 12:06 AM

lol, true... dave is ambassador for the 320d brigade.

OP, drive a 320d first. If you like it, you'll buy it. Try before you buy (or try before you diss it) is probably the most important thing to take away from all this.

pcockley · 09-27-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bmroxm5

lol, true... dave is ambassador for the 320d brigade.

OP, drive a 320d first. If you like it, you'll buy it. Try before you buy (or try before you diss it) is probably the most important thing to take away from all this.

Yeh they gave me one to drive while they fixed my battery a couple of months back. 2 things stood out the most the steering is real real light coompared to a 335 and I couldn't hear the nok nok nok nok.......well not until I turned the radio off

playwithonehand · 09-27-2011, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SBC

Dave you need to let up a bit on the 320d is awesome thing. It's good car - we know.

LOL you are right,i torque too much

@pcockley
Would love to ride your beasty 335i on if you don't mind. Never been on 335i before.

Stuart@BMRAutowerkes · 09-27-2011, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by playwithonehand

LOL you are right,i torque too much

@pcockley
Would love to ride your beasty 335i on if you don't mind. Never been on 335i before.

Nothing special there, it'll be slower than my 135i

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Originally Posted by pcockley

Yeh they gave me one to drive while they fixed my battery a couple of months back. 2 things stood out the most the steering is real real light coompared to a 335 and I couldn't hear the nok nok nok nok.......well not until I turned the radio off

Was it a non m sport because the M sport has significantly weightier steering.

pcockley · 09-27-2011, 02:57 AM

I didn't know you could get an msport 320d

Rivenscyr · 09-27-2011, 06:44 AM

SBC mentioned active steering is on all diesel models, that could contribute to the lighter steering.

sbce90 · 09-27-2011, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivenscyr

SBC mentioned active steering is on all diesel models, that could contribute to the lighter steering.

*Electronic* not hydraulic. I don't think I said active?

Rivenscyr · 09-27-2011, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SBC

*Electronic* not hydraulic. I don't think I said active?

fuck i dont know

bmwaddiction · 09-27-2011, 07:42 AM

i normally drive a 325i (with BMS PBX) and have driven 320d loaner from a local dealer three times now

I don't know what planet some of you guys live on but a 325i is way better in almost every respect of performance. There is no way I would swap a 325i for a 320d.

bmwaddiction · 09-27-2011, 07:45 AM

160 kw stock 325i VS 130 kw stock 320d... the numbers are right there and pretty clear

cruvon · 09-27-2011, 08:15 AM

I think a 320i can beat the 320d on the initial run when the 320d's engine spools during the turbo lag or not?

playwithonehand · 09-27-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwaddiction

i normally drive a 325i (with BMS PBX) and have driven 320d loaner from a local dealer three times now

I don't know what planet some of you guys live on but a 325i is way better in almost every respect of performance. There is no way I would swap a 325i for a 320d.

Forgive me SBC and everyone, i must defend whats right or wrong

Firstly why are you comparing a BMS PBX (+10hp/10nm) tuned 325i against a 320d loaner?

Why not compare to a tuned 320d?

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Originally Posted by bmwaddiction

160 kw stock 325i VS 130 kw stock 320d... the numbers are right there and pretty clear

2009 model
Correct but are you missing torque hello? 250nm vs 350nm.
Final result is stock 325i does 0-100 in 7.7 vs 8.0 320d stock.
That is pretty close in my eye.

2011 model.
325i zero improvement with 160kw/250nm 0-100 7.7sec
320d improved to 135kw/380nm 0-100 7.6sec

Now that power figure tells me newer Diesel is improving every few years where is "325i is very disappointing because its exact same figure since the first one back in March 2005".

Yes you heard it right! 2005 325i is exactly 160kw/250nm. All BMW did was improved the fuel consumption from 9.8 to 8.3L/100km. Exact same N52B25 engine.

A BIG BUT...But if drive manual, supposedly you have perfect gear shifting you will get 0-100 in 7.0 second for your 325i, then i can understand why its a huge difference compare to 320d.
So tell me you drive a manual so i can shut myself up

Please don't get me wrong, not here to argue just stating the facts.

Peace

kaishang · 09-27-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwaddiction

i normally drive a 325i (with BMS PBX) and have driven 320d loaner from a local dealer three times now

I don't know what planet some of you guys live on but a 325i is way better in almost every respect of performance. There is no way I would swap a 325i for a 320d.

Yeah, I've owned a 325i. It's a great car. The engine sounds great. I have had a 320d as a 3-day loaner. I thought it sounded like a truck and couldn't wait to get out of it.

Even the 330d though it has more grunt, does not sound as good or is as smooth as a 325i.

Stuart@BMRAutowerkes · 09-27-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwaddiction

160 kw stock 325i VS 130 kw stock 320d... the numbers are right there and pretty clear

KW are part of the story. Pretty naive to base a car's performance on just it's KW count?

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Originally Posted by bmwaddiction

i normally drive a 325i (with BMS PBX) and have driven 320d loaner from a local dealer three times now

I don't know what planet some of you guys live on but a 325i is way better in almost every respect of performance. There is no way I would swap a 325i for a 320d.

Examples of some of these areas of performance where a 325i trumps a 320d?
0-100km/h? diesel wins
8-120km/h? diesel wins

The only area the 325i wins is NVH and refinement.

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Originally Posted by playwithonehand

Forgive me SBC and everyone, i must defend whats right or wrong

Firstly why are you comparing a BMS PBX (+10hp/10nm) tuned 325i against a 320d loaner?

Why not compare to a tuned 320d?

A BIG BUT...But if drive manual, supposedly you have perfect gear shifting you will get 0-100 in 7.0 second for your 325i, then i can understand why its a huge difference compare to 320d.
So tell me you drive a manual so i can shut myself up

Please don't get me wrong, not here to argue just stating the facts.

Peace

Whilst the BMS PBX gives that gain in the marketing material, in the real world it's not that large.

I had a manual 325i and even then it still felt slow... I'd get perfect gear changes every now and then, but for the real world and majority of drivers a 320d will trump a 325i auto or manual most of the time.

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Originally Posted by cruvon

I think a 320i can beat the 320d on the initial run when the 320d's engine spools during the turbo lag or not?

Nup don't think so sorry :P

Stuart@BMRAutowerkes · 09-27-2011, 06:13 PM

For those that are old school and don't want a diesel, they'll buy a 323i or 325i

For those that can put up with a bit of 'clatter' they'll go a 320d and not just for economy reasons, but for performance and driveability as well.

pcockley · 09-27-2011, 07:05 PM

Ok chaps its my turn.

Forget all this 320 d/i talk and get a 335 DCT. stock 0-100 5.4, with a tune and fbo......4.5????

Oh and KW/NMS all fine but what about the DCT, it is by far (and a big fat country FAR) the best gearbox i have ever driven.

If BMW put the DCT in the 330d, i'd have a drive. Not saying i'd buy one but i'd definately take one for a drive!!!!

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pcockley Banned 43 Rep 1,719 Posts Drives: 335 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: sydney iTrader: (1)	Ok chaps its my turn. Forget all this 320 d/i talk and get a 335 DCT. stock 0-100 5.4, with a tune and fbo......4.5???? Oh and KW/NMS all fine but what about the DCT, it is by far (and a big fat country FAR) the best gearbox i have ever driven. If BMW put the DCT in the 330d, i'd have a drive. Not saying i'd buy one but i'd definately take one for a drive!!!!
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