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01-28-2010, 11:32 AM | #1 |
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Transmission fluid choices for AT
I don't know if anybody used either ones. some people pointed out and mentioned shell M-1375.s is OEM transmission oil for AT but i also found some mentioned Pentosin ATF-1 as well. Also, i found that Red Line D4 ATF is equivalent to shell m-1375.s as well. which one would you guys pick out of those two?
looks like autohous have both in stock at good price. just matter of finding out how many bottles and which will benefit me more. pentosin ATF-1 - $15.18 per bottle (per bottle) Red Line D4 ATF - $9.69 per bottle (per quart) i'm not planning to drain from TQ convertor so i guess i'm looking at 8liters/quarts at most to be on the safe side... just thought i'd share this info and see what any of you guys think or have experience with before i order...
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01-29-2010, 12:20 PM | #2 |
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anyone has any idea at all?
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01-29-2010, 03:17 PM | #3 |
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The OEM oil that BMW sells is ZF Lifeguard 6....(BMW Part No. 8322 0142516).
There are two specifications you are trying to meet with the ATF...ZF's spec for the tranny (TE-ML 11) and BMW's spec, which is Shell M1375.4 Now there are four types of oil that I have found that meet BMW spec shell M1375.4 BMW OEM (ZF Lifeguard6) Pentosin ATF-1 Red Line D4 Castrol Import Multi-Vehicle But only two of those seems to have ZF spec TE-ML 11, OEM and the Pentosin. The Pentosin is the one I would stick to...for me this is the more important spec to meet since it is the one ZF itself specifies. Plus the Pentosin can be had for ~15-20 per liter, where the OEM at the dealer is ~$45, which is just stupid. The thing I can't find is how Shell M1375.4 spec relates to TE-ML 11. BTW, a lookup of the part no. above pulls up the Pentosin ATF-1...so it may not be OEM, but it is OE for sure. http://www01apps.zf.com/kst464/ZF_In...011_en0700.pdf Transmission = ZF 6HP19Z http://www.justanswer.com/questions/...bmw-m54-e60-04 Last edited by raceyBMW; 01-29-2010 at 03:38 PM.. |
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From what I can tell Shell M-1375.4 is the OEM propriety fluid. So ZF Lifeguardfluid6, BMW OEM, Jaguar OEM, etc. are all the same Shell fluid.
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So Shell M1375.4 IS the fluid, not just the spec. That clears that up, thanks! So TE-ML 11 is the spec that Shell M1375.4 was made to I suppose.
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01-29-2010, 03:55 PM | #6 |
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For further backup, take a look at this:
Shell 1375.4 is BMW # 83 22 0 142 516
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01-29-2010, 09:26 PM | #7 | |
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thanks for the information guys.
i just contacted all the local bmw dealers and bmw seattle quoted $21.90 per liter. i just double confirmed with part department guy but they are quoting whopping $379+tax for the labor on top... Quote:
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I don't have absolute proof of that other than a search of the BMW part no. for the fluid also brings up the Pentosin fluid, and that it has the ZF TE-ML 11 approval, same as the OEM (lifeguard 6) fluid. That is what I am basing that off of...otherwise I don't know for sure.
http://www.pentosin.com/flexxtrader/...ATF%201_GB.pdf |
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3HP22, 3HP22Q, 4HP14Q, 4HP18FL (1), 4HP18FLA (2), 4HP18FLE (1), 4HP18Q, 4HP18QE, 4HP22, 4HP22EH, 4HP22HL (3), 4HP24, 4HP24A (2) and 5HP18 depending on the tag at the fill port. Personally, I am not putting in fluid that doesn't meet the published data.
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02-01-2010, 04:27 PM | #11 |
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so pentosin is good for our 6AT tranny it seems what about RL D4? i found these links...
http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E92-335...sion/ES251177/ http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=51&pcid=9 i also ask RL directly since i don't see D4 on ZF's list whether it is suitable for our tranny. will see how that goes...
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However, I don't see the same for Lifeguardfluid6 (i.e. Shell 1375.4) and based on other articles, this fluid was created specifically for the 6AT. I really don't see, or haven't seen so far, anything from ZF or BMW saying to put Dexron III * spec in these transmissions. (Even for the E9X that have the GM AT, the spec is Dexron VI not III.) * GM published data states that Dexron VI is downwards compatible. But the lower number Dexrons are NOT upwards compatible. Which is why I firmly believe that the ZF class 11B - which appears to be mostly the Dexron III specs - should not be used in our 6AT. [Edit} This has been an informative thread. Thanks everyone for the various links.
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And both ZF and BMW state not to mixed fluids, which means if you want to put in anything that is not Shell 1375.4, you should totally drain/replenish the fluid. But if warranty issues aren't a concern, then feel free to do whatever you want. BTW, I don't have any issues with RedLine, Indeed, I use RL Syn ATF in a Dexron IID application - as RL is one of the few companies that still make fluid to that spec. I just don't believe that a Dexron III spec fluid should go in our 6ATs.
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BTW, anyone have any luck sourcing Lifeguard Fluid 6 from anywhere besides the dealer? I haven't had much luck, they either don't carry it, or they only sell in mass quantities. |
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So not much difference in cost then from what the dealer charges (maybe ~$6/liter).
I am still having a hard time finding out if the LifeguardFluid6 is TE-ML 11A or 11B...the ZF literature doesn't seem to say. If it is 11A, then there is also this stuff from Pentosin http://www.pentosin.com/flexxtrader/...yp%202D_GB.pdf BTW, this stuff is red, not yellow like the ZF stuff (however Pentosin ATF-1 is) I'm gonna email ZF so hopefully this can get sorted out once and for all...we will see how responsive they are. |
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your local dealer charges $6 per liter? really? i just checked with my local dealer they charge $21.90 so can you double check? if it really is $6 per liter that'll be a deal. david
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not all. they don't carry some fluids like transmission or differential fluids. i already tried...
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$21/liter is a great deal for the OEM stuff (Shell M1375.4)! Dealer told me $45/liter. I asked the question to them in a manner that hopefully I don't get a canned answer back...except I got an auto reply saying the person is out till the 8th. |
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before the A&B List, it states: "The oils released in each case are specified in the ZF Lubricants List TE-ML 11." The each case it refers to are the subheadings in the table: 3/4 speeds, and 4/5 speeds. Actually its one of many fluids that is approved for the ZF 6AT. Its just OEM fluid. ZF has given us a list of equivalent fluids, so why pay $60 per liter, and $350 labor to the stealership? |
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