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03-01-2010, 10:51 AM | #67 | |
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03-01-2010, 10:57 AM | #69 |
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03-01-2010, 11:10 AM | #70 |
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DSC/ DTC....like it or hate it...its all down to personal choice....
if you know how to handle (notice, I didn't use the word drive) a powerful RWD car and know how it will react when the rear tyres start losing traction then, DSC off completely is way forward for fast and high speed driving in the dry.... the reason why BMW write about all the warnings about switching off the DSC is because "most" people won't know or will be shocked when the rear tyres loses grip and the rear starts moving about!.... For me its DTC off...because its eating all my rear brake pads!!!/....and at the same time, it will be good for me to improve and "learn" how to handle a RWD car the proper way without all the electronics!... and yes, I think the DTC/ DSC are crap!....BMW should NOT FIT THEM ON 335i and Ds.... but instead, get the customers to sign a form saying that they are "aware" that the cars are not fitted with all the nanny aids and to be "careful" when driving in the wet!....JUST like the M3 CSL...with the slick tyres!!!!..... gota keep the 335i/ D hardcore!!!!!............don't like fast cars? then buy a different car with all the extra leather/ sat nav options!... |
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03-01-2010, 03:44 PM | #72 | |
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I love the electronic controls, I also love that they can be turned off. I'm a slowish driver, (way within the limits of the car) but I still felt a difference. Thanks for all the insight. (To be clear, I'm talking about a one button press only... I'll leave the 'press and hold' to younger, more skillful hands.) |
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03-01-2010, 04:07 PM | #73 |
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To be honest Dave, you don't like me and I don't like you so I suppose that was inevitable.
As always, rather than actually make a point, you simply convince yourself you have one, say something you think is clever and move on without really adding anything to the discussion. In this case, there have been what, ten less pleasant respones than the one I put in which was perfectly valid. Yet you choose to try and mock me with your 'Latin' anyway, as opposed to tackling something more directly. Fair play, thanks as ever for your insight. Matt |
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03-01-2010, 04:37 PM | #74 | |
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Three little letters is not mocking you ... unlike some of the replies directed to the OP. I happened to reply directly to your reply to me. I could have chosen a few posts that illustrated "my point" [which wasn't actually a point according to you, just me mistakenly convincing myself I had one]. Discussions have many viewpoints. 'Tis the interweb after all. D.
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03-01-2010, 04:42 PM | #75 | |
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You could have chose someone who actually did demonstrate idiocy, which I didn't, but you thought I wouldn't understand you I guess. Fair play, most people wouldn't I suppose. Matt |
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03-01-2010, 04:57 PM | #76 | |
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Matt - I think you have the wrong end of the stick.
Q.E.D. is not mocking. Even in the slightest. If you really want me to spell out what my post was about, I can. D. Quote:
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03-01-2010, 05:03 PM | #77 |
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Hmmm well I had assumed you meant the Latin for 'my point is demonstrated' (usually to the detriment of the one quoted) however it's been a long time since I did any Veni, Vidi, Vici so perhaps you meant it to suggest my view supported yours.
I dunno... You might as well enlighten us all... Perhaps you didn't mean anything in Latin lol. I was thinking of calling truce earlier but I am sure I'm not the only one who wants to know. Matt |
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Ok, I'll paraphrase as fairly as I can. This is what I originally posted :
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____________________ Paraphrased : Me : People seem to be reacting strongly to the suggestion they may be bad drivers. You : When the OP said "we drive like cunts" (your paraphrasing), why be surprised at the reaction ? Me: Well, there you go then. Meaning your reply also agreed about the reaction to the suggestion of bad drivers, as I commented previously. That is not mocking. D.
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03-01-2010, 05:36 PM | #80 | ||
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You are missing the point. This was the question the original poster asked.
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It is dangerous to drive too quickly for a given situation or exceed the limits of a car or drivers ability. However, no one suggested that would be a good idea. Yet we have comments like this: Quote:
This does not increase risk to other road users. My car could sit parked outside all day with DSC+ off and pose precisely no danger to anyone. The danger comes when someone drives it. The driver is 100% in control and 100% responsible, with or without stability control systems. I stand by my opinion that drivers who actually have an understanding of the limits of their cars, who have experience driving them without the safety net of stability systems, will be safer. DSC+ can get you out of trouble. But safe drivers won't get into trouble in the first place. That doesn't mean that they are driving gods. It means that they drive at speeds appropriate for a given situation and that they use the cars controls with a degree of mechanical sympathy. |
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There are clearly many who understand what anacronym does what. Maybe, they've even read the owners' manual. But sometimes it is stated to newcomers to switch them off (as the OP picked up on) and go for it. Subtley hinted as a rite of passage for real drivers. When it has been shown there are some who are not really sure of what they are swicthing off (or what they had previously engaged). D.
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03-01-2010, 06:16 PM | #82 | |
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Of course it is the driver and his/her responsibility, it is the very reason for this topic and discussion as I read it. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't think so. HighlandPete |
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03-01-2010, 06:16 PM | #83 | |
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03-01-2010, 06:18 PM | #84 | |
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I disagree completely. It's irresponsible to drive badly, having a safety system does not make you safe. |
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03-01-2010, 06:29 PM | #85 | |
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But then, likewise, a little caveat expressed against the "hey you freak, get the f$*k outta here" replies shouldn't be looked at with such suspicion. D.
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QED actually means 'thus it is shown'. Read this thread with a mixture of interest and sadness. On the one hand I find it sad that most motoring programmes (Top Gear, fith gear etc), the first thing the presenter says when they get in the car is TRACTION CONTROL OFF. This is said in an extremely macho way and the inference is you have to be a real driver to drive without the traction control.
I had a friend who found out the hard way what happens when you run out of talent on the road. He is no not with us and leaves 3 passengers permanently scarred. However that would not stop me criticising how others want to drive their cars. The OP is right, you do take a risk switching the aids off. It is still afree world so long you understand those risks and drive appropriately for the road conditions, good luck to you. |
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03-02-2010, 02:07 AM | #88 | ||
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My concern is statements like this: Quote:
This sort of thinking reminds me of the Toyota 'crisis'. We have a situation where people are scared and a company is in trouble because accelerators are sticking or getting jammed by floor mats. If people had a minimal level of critical thinking ability and mechanical knowledge, they would realise that even if this happened, they could simply knock the car into neutral and brake to a halt. |
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