[MIKEYBMW1]

Originally Posted by edowen

I'm not your pal.

So the useful message here, is before you go crying and screaming onto a forum publicly saying a car nearly killed you, asking for help, and blaming BMW, just check it wasn't actually something you did/got done to the car first.

Hope any future warranty claims are handled ok.

Happy motoring folks.

you got that right your not my Pal either

[RagingKileak]

Welcome to playschool!!

Matt

[Steve A]

i know I'm not renowned for keeping the peace - however for the safety of the forum members please Mikey will you answer the following:

1) is there a problem with the way in which Evolve dyno a car? If there is a lot of people might have a similar problem.

2) is there a specific mod you have done that has caused the fault leading to a near fatal accident. I ask this as other members might have the same mod.

3) can you confirm that there isn't a manufacturing fault?

At the end of the day surely you can understand how these people are worried???


Steve

[toxicnerve]

Originally Posted by Steve A

i know I'm not renowned for keeping the peace - however for the safety of the forum members please Mikey will you answer the following:

1) is there a problem with the way in which Evolve dyno a car? If there is a lot of people might have a similar problem.

2) is there a specific mod you have done that has caused the fault leading to a near fatal accident. I ask this as other members might have the same mod.

3) can you confirm that there isn't a manufacturing fault?

At the end of the day surely you can understand how these people are worried???


Steve

I'd like to add a question

4) Has one of the companies involved put you under a NDA as a condition of picking up the tab or is there some other legal issue at play here preventing you from divulging what happened?

I'm not trying to rock the boat here but I think there is a geniune public interest in this...

[E92Fan]

Originally Posted by ss134

Lets get this thread closed-hounding someone for information that they can not or will not give is also not in the spirit of the forum.
The OP does not want to divulge the info - that should be the end of it.
He has stated that the fault is not a manufacturing defect. If you have modified your car then that was your decision and if you are concerned then take it to the people who modified your car for a check up.

Originally Posted by MIKEYBMW1

I have tried but obviously a linch mob.

A lynch mob? I don't close a thread and therefore some members of this forum are now a lynch mob?

I try hard not to get involved in threads such as these as I must maintain a degree of impartiality. However, Mikey had requested my intervention numerous times now and as is his wish I am now putting my oar in, but it isn't going to be in the way you think...

Mikey, I have rarely seen a member display such a lack of respect and gratitude towards other forum members.

You came on and posted a "Cry for Help" thread in a very public, borderline hysterical, fashion, and asked the good members on this forum for their assistance in determining which of the various accused (BMW, Evolve, previous owner etc) could be responsible for "almost killing you". As all the forum members do, they rallied around with their support and openly voiced their concerns in order to HELP YOU find a resolution to an undoubtedly harrowing experience.

It was evident through the development of that thread that the information posted led to a plausible explanation, and subsequent conclusion, to what caused that particular suspension component to fail. It was also evident that the thread was fast becoming a sticky wicket for you, such were the desperate attempts by you to have that thread closed (and to which wish I obliged)

What you won't be aware of is the level of concern that developed from that original thread and the interest it has generated beyond the virtual walls of our forum. Your various allegations of responsibility included BMW themselves and this invited a few extra emails into my inbox with requests for further information.

Edowen was well within his right to ask what the conclusion to the suspension failure was. Some members had concerns that there was a possible manufacturing defect that was a risk to their safety. Other members had concerns that the suspension failure was due to poor or incorrect strapping of the car when it was on the dyno at Evolve. BMW had concerns that the responsibility was being pinned on one of their dealers and were taking steps to initiate an investigation into the part failure.

You unwittingly opened a massive can of worms and now your attempts to shut down the thread and have the topic censored only served to fuel the fire. You are well within your right to keep the information private and not divulge the conclusion publicly. However it would have been more appropriate for you to have considered the impact your original thread had on other members, and for you to issue in the first place a nicely worded statement explaining that you can't divulge what happened, but that it had no further ramifications on other members.

Instead you have irked the very members who supported you originally by your flippant and frankly disrespectful attitude. You asked for their support, then slapped them in the face. You're tried to protect yourself by attacking those who had genuine concerns for your safety, for the safety of other forum members, and who had simply asked for a more substantiated comment other than "It's fixed, The End". Your attempts at covering up have had the exact opposite effect and I would imagine it is now abundantly clear where the responsibility for the component failure lies.



I will make this bit very clear. I refused to close this thread because of you were requesting that I effectively CENSOR this topic, and therefore not allow any member from discussing openly what happened to cause that suspension failure. I do not CENSOR threads - I MODERATE threads. Members are free to post questions, especially about topics previously discussed in public. The concerns you raised had possible wide-ranging impact on other forum members, and it was in the public interest to see if a conclusion could be forthcoming especially since the accused included the manufacturer, and also a prominent tuning company who sponsor this forum and whom a large number of members have partaken of their services.


Further more, I will not be part of a cover-up, for anybody.


My intention is not to force you to reveal information that you don't want to. The information itself is not what irks me - it is the way you have responded to other concerned forum members that really irritates me, and has made me make my views public.



A lynch mob cannot be further from the reality and your accusations of such have made me reconsider my position as a moderator, such is the want I currently have of laying into you properly. You ask for people to respect your decision not to divulge any information, and yet you haven't until a very recent post shown the same level of respect to other members who were querying the outcome because they had genuine concerns not only for themselves, but for you as well. In the most civil way possible of expressing how I feel, that's disgusting...

[misterS3]

Well said.

[iamjim]

Mikey, I've not been a forum member for long but I agree whole heartedly you let the other forum members know what happened.

You cannot post a thread as conspiring as that and then tell your mates via PM (clearly the case, as your mates show them selves up for being arrogant cocks they are by posting blatant one worded posts) and not tell the rest.

If there is an issue then it is important that people don't make the same mistakes or get there cars checked over.

Personally I think you fit the bill of being what I described as your friends. I think YOU have made a gross ill judged mistake whilst modding your car...

by this did you by any chance jack up your car whilst fitting some carbon fibre parts??? Did you jack up your car from the rear and bend the rear arm?

It seems so, and it also seems so that you are a bit embarrassed by a school boy error.

If I am wrong then please except my apologies but at the moment us normal forum members have not got a lot to go on other than suspect something along these lines.

Good day.

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by MIKEYBMW1

STATEMENT

Listen Guys ,all you lot were a big help to me last Sunday Evening and I really appreciate it ,this is an amazing place to be a member of ,the reason why I was so distraught is the fact that I was very nearly killed Fact

At the time I had no idea what had caused this which made it even worse


I now know what caused the problem and it has been resolved ,your cars don't have a manafacturing fault ,so rest assured on that one .


The car is fine now and so am I ,everyone who mods there cars should always check that what they do or have done to there cars has not affected the safety of the car in anyway as modding does have its risks

I have learnt from this and in future I will check out everything that I do or have done to any car/cars that I own or modify.

I suggest you all do the same

I will say a big Thankyou to everyone who helped me on here either by the thread or pm


Michael.

I previously sent a PM to Mike, I think that what he said above clears some of the questions...

Guys, we cannot "force" Mike to say everything....but the note above should have come "earlier" to avoid all this.

I do agree that we all commented on his original thread and tried to be supportive....that is the forum spirit!!!

and, if for some reason Mike can't give us any more specific details for now, we should respect this and not start abusing each other!....

[zltm089]

and I agree with Tony, there is some "lack of gratitude"....

come on e90post forum spirit!!!...I thought we were a brotherhood! :-)

[RagingKileak]

The best way to close a thread is not to comment on it....

Matt

[Dave_3]

Hear hear, Tony.

D.

[F31-340i]

What is it with this forum and suspension?

Now we've had controversy with SE, M Sport and now M3 suspension.

We've even had 335Diesel suspended.



Let me guess... Next, you'll be telling everyone you wear suspenders... Mod

[mikem]

I`m sure everyone will bounce back.


Mod

[misterS3]

Originally Posted by zltm089

I previously sent a PM to Mike, I think that what he said above clears some of the questions...

Guys, we cannot "force" Mike to say everything....but the note above should have come "earlier" to avoid all this.

I do agree that we all commented on his original thread and tried to be supportive....that is the forum spirit!!!

and, if for some reason Mike can't give us any more specific details for now, we should respect this and not start abusing each other!....

What would have been the case if the guys with the cracked alloys had taken Mikey's attitude?

Nobody is abusing anybody here.

We're just asking questions to which some people clearly know the answers, but refuse to say because they come from the "I'm all right jack" school of thought.

Currently Evolve or Mikey are at fault as far as i can tell.

[SiKkBaSs]

Originally Posted by RagingKileak

The best way to close a thread is not to comment on it....

Matt

Crap advice mate, if you were being serious

Like that will work...Mikey is a regular on here, him posting on other threads and not in this one will just make him look (more) ignorant. Didn't originally see things like this but I think Tone's statement was correct. Mike did come up in this forum asking for help in a rather emotional fashion. He got other people (who could potentially be in the same position) worked up. These people now want answers, which is totally acceptable. Strikes as being a bit selfish if Mike keeps whatever it is to himself. You can't be asking mods to close a thread on your behalf. The only way this will be resolved now is if Mike answers these questions. The situation has grown big due to the rapid responses Mike got in his original thread. If anyone is to blame for this situation sorry Mike but it's you. Only you can sort it out now...

(no hate Mike, just stating what I think mate)

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by misterS3

What would have been the case if the guys with the cracked alloys had taken Mikey's attitude?

Nobody is abusing anybody here.

We're just asking questions to which some people clearly know the answers, but refuse to say because they come from the "I'm all right jack" school of thought.

Currently Evolve or Mikey are at fault as far as i can tell.

I want answers aswell mate!...I even PMed Mike and didn't get any reply!!!...hence why I posted on this thread!....I did feel that he was a bit selfish for not replying to my PM...

but we still need to respect each other! and not force people to reveal stuff they don't want to...even though, these are life threatening health and safety issues!

I think we should wait for Mike to get everything sorted on his side first...then start requesting for results on the outcome!...he should have no problem going public then!

[edowen]

Originally Posted by zltm089

I want answers aswell mate!...I even PMed Mike and didn't get any reply!!!...hence why I posted on this thread!....I did feel that he was a bit selfish for not replying to my PM...

but we still need to respect each other! and not force people to reveal stuff they don't want to...even though, these are life threatening health and safety issues!

I think we should wait for Mike to get everything sorted on his side first...then start requesting for results on the outcome!...he should have no problem going public then!

He said it was all sorted, and that was that earlier in the thread.

I don't think anyone would have minded him saying "sorry it is still ongoing, I cant say anything", or "Although it is sorted, I have had to agree not to dicslose the outcome, but rest assured this was a specific incident and not related to a manufacturing defect"...

As it is, he looks like an idiot. But we know it wasn't a manufacturing defect, so will just have to make our own assumptions on what happened...

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by misterS3

What would have been the case if the guys with the cracked alloys had taken Mikey's attitude?

Nobody is abusing anybody here.

We're just asking questions to which some people clearly know the answers, but refuse to say because they come from the "I'm all right jack" school of thought.

Currently Evolve or Mikey are at fault as far as i can tell.

Ian, I know where your coming from on this, however I do have some sympathy for Mikey as he obviously finds himself in a intolerable position, one that might not be of his own choosing.

I'm quite sure that some people know what happened to Mikey's car, and I'm sure that those people are NOT from the "I'm alright Jack" school of thought.

Mikey has already clarified that it is NOT a manufacturers fault, and he has stated that if you modify your car you should check what was done and how.

Mikey has posted quite extensvely what work has been done to his car, so if you suspect that one of Mikey's mods is what was carried out on your car it would be prudent for you check your car over.

I would say this, if your car is unmodified in any way you have nothing to worry about.
If you are more than happy to believe the stated BHP and Torque figures that BMW publish for your particular model, you have nothing to worry about.
If you have for what ever reason chosen to find out if the stated figures as above differ in any way, you might find it wise to check out your car, and in particular the suspension components on the rear.

As I have recently chosen to find out the above (for research purposes of course ), I have checked the suspension components on my car, and they are fine.

It's a shame that Mikey is taking all the flak here, and the responsibility.

I personally think some others should show some respect for the forum members and step up and take some responsibility, that is of course if they think they have some responsibility, mistakes happen!

[JLR1969]

I am surprised that given the suspicion that has been leveled at 'Evolve' no one from this company has commented to clear their preciously un-tarnished image.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

I am surprised that given the suspicion that has been leveled at 'Evolve' no one from this company has commented to clear their preciously un-tarnished image.

They have somewhere, but the suspicion still lingers strongly for some reason.

It was in Mikey's original post:


http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...21#post6059321

Originally Posted by Sal@Evolve

Mikey,

very sorry to hear this.

Just to put your mind, and everyone's mind at that, at ease -

1) We do not strap cars down hard at all, we use the front chocks to control how far forward the car moves
2) We do not strap at the rear trailing arm, not a good place to choose!
3) We have dynoed more E9x's than probably anyone
4) G-Power 620+hp car was dynoed nearly 30 times on our dyno. No issues

[SiKkBaSs]

This only adds more fuel to the fire though...

[E92Fan]

Originally Posted by SiKkBaSs

This only adds more fuel to the fire though...

So I would strongly suggest that someone comes along and puts this fire out. And by the way, that person isn't going to be me...