[BMW1986]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

I've never had this problem. That might be specific to your own car.

But, in any case, nobody knows exactly what the fix will involve.




Shouldn't have to do this. Supposed to happen automatically.





What do you mean by "present" menu? Do you mean "preset" menu?

In any case, I can't begin to understand the problem you are having here. It sounds like you are saying that you have the preset screen up, and then you hit day/night, and the map doesn't come up. Why would it?

Nevermind, I figured out a fix and sorry I spelled a word wrong, preset was what i meant.

[BMW1986]

Originally Posted by KevinO

Sitting in the dealership waiting to get mine done right now.

How long does it take to do?

[KevinO]

Originally Posted by BMW1986

How long does it take to do?

Sounds like a couple hours. Still here. Don't know how much time passed between giving them the car, and them actually starting the update.

[melm]

Anybody have any details of what is in the fix yet?
Thanks

Mel

Originally Posted by KevinO

Sounds like a couple hours. Still here. Don't know how much time passed between giving them the car, and them actually starting the update.

[KevinO]

Originally Posted by melm

Anybody have any details of what is in the fix yet?
Thanks

Mel

OK. Got the car back and the shopping cart issue is definitely fixed. Nothing else was super-obviously different in the 4-5 miles from the dealer to my work.

[melm]

Would be interesting if you get night view on the map automatically. As it is now you don't get night view automatically, and to see it at all you have to turn off the traffic updates (!)

Originally Posted by KevinO

OK. Got the car back and the shopping cart issue is definitely fixed. Nothing else was super-obviously different in the 4-5 miles from the dealer to my work.

[KevinO]

Originally Posted by melm

Would be interesting if you get night view on the map automatically. As it is now you don't get night view automatically, and to see it at all you have to turn off the traffic updates (!)

It's not clear to me how that would/should work. Night mode is (still) just a checkbox in the UI, and I don't think the owners manual describes the automatic functionality (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

I wonder if 'Automatic Night Mode' is really a feature enhancement that everyone agrees is obvious and should be there, as opposed to an existing documented feature that is broken.

[KevinO]

Also, traffic updates still mute all the map colors as before. I think that's just a design choice that a lot of people don't like, versus something that's truly 'broken'.

[melm]

Strange. Night view is very nice. Day view is too bright at night. Why should it have anything to do with whether or not traffic is on.. makes no sense.

Originally Posted by KevinO

Also, traffic updates still mute all the map colors as before. I think that's just a design choice that a lot of people don't like, versus something that's truly 'broken'.

[KevinO]

Originally Posted by melm

Strange. Night view is very nice. Day view is too bright at night. Why should it have anything to do with whether or not traffic is on.. makes no sense.

I get the impression that perhaps the traffic view wasn't visible enough when overlaid on the standard map (too many colors) and so they decided that they would mute the map colors to make the traffic colors really stand out.

I don't like that view. I'm just saying I think it probably behaves as they designed it to, whereas the shopping cart icons issue was obviously a bug.

[fnc]

Fix is here for the shopping cart logo issue.

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI 65 04 09 dated April 2009.

designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
Shopping Cart Icons Displayed Permanently


MODEL
E82, E88 *(1 Series) from September 2008

E90, E91, E92, E93 *(3 Series) from September 2008

E60, E61 *(5 Series) from March 2009

E63, E64 *(6 Series) from March 2009

F01, F02 *(7 Series)

*with option 609 (NAVIGATION SYSTEM PROFESSIONAL, CIC)


SITUATION
The shopping cart icon is permanently displayed in the navigation map display in scale 400 feet and below, even when the setting for display points of interest (POI) is set to "No Points of Interest".

When scale 800 feet and up is selected, it is not displayed.

CAUSE
Error in the navigation system integrated in the Car Information Computer (CIC)

CORRECTION
Do not replace parts!

Program the vehicle using ISTA/P 2.33.1 or later.

Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do not have the latest software.

For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

[melm]

My God. Is that all there is in the software update? There are so many other bugs.

Mel

Originally Posted by fnc

Fix is here for the shopping cart logo issue.

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI 65 04 09 dated April 2009.

designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
Shopping Cart Icons Displayed Permanently


MODEL
E82, E88 *(1 Series) from September 2008

E90, E91, E92, E93 *(3 Series) from September 2008

E60, E61 *(5 Series) from March 2009

E63, E64 *(6 Series) from March 2009

F01, F02 *(7 Series)

*with option 609 (NAVIGATION SYSTEM PROFESSIONAL, CIC)


SITUATION
The shopping cart icon is permanently displayed in the navigation map display in scale 400 feet and below, even when the setting for display points of interest (POI) is set to "No Points of Interest".

When scale 800 feet and up is selected, it is not displayed.

CAUSE
Error in the navigation system integrated in the Car Information Computer (CIC)

CORRECTION
Do not replace parts!

Program the vehicle using ISTA/P 2.33.1 or later.

Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do not have the latest software.

For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

[KevinO]

Originally Posted by melm

My God. Is that all there is in the software update? There are so many other bugs.

Mel

There's almost certainly more. But the shopping cart issue is the only major, always reproducible obvious problem I'm aware of. I'm sure there are other minor bugs fixed, but not mentioned in the service notice.

Alas, BMW doesn't put out a version/bug fix list with their releases.

[Kilgore Trout]

I hope that more bugs than just that annoying shopping cart stuff will get fixed. I brought a list along with photos to my dealer, and he claimed that BMW was aware of all the bugs I identified, and that all would be fixed with the update.

[melm]

Well, it appears that the night view/traffic bug is not fixed.
I know some people think that is not a bug, but a feature. If so, that is a terrible mistake.

I shouldn't have to choose between night view and traffic. Every other car with these features solved it. My old 2005 Acura got it working just fine.

Grrrrr

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

I hope that more bugs than just that annoying shopping cart stuff will get fixed. I brought a list along with photos to my dealer, and he claimed that BMW was aware of all the bugs I identified, and that all would be fixed with the update.

[Kilgore Trout]

Mel, there is one alternative. I turned off "traffic view" but enabled "traffic icons" in the regular map. I've found that approache works just as well, and I don't get stuck with the grayscale maps.

[melm]

Interesting. I'll try it. Thanks. I also documented problems in the software with photos. Hope some of those issues get squashed.

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

Mel, there is one alternative. I turned off "traffic view" but enabled "traffic icons" in the regular map. I've found that approache works just as well, and I don't get stuck with the grayscale maps.

[BMW1986]

What is the difference between the traffic view vs traffic icons?

[Kilgore Trout]

traffic view is grayscale with colored lines when there are traffic problems.

Traffic icons is the regular map, with all the colors, and special icons that denote traffic problems. For example, if the road is conjested, you see a bunch of diamond shapes alongside the road.

[BMW1986]

Ahhh I see. If you switch from the day to night or night to day do the local streets disappear? The only way for me to get them back is by changing the heights of the map, going from 800 to 400 back to 800. Does this happen to anyone else??

[matts335]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

The nav does have an automatic night feature - it just doesn't work. There is a bug in the software.

Are you sure about that? Like an above poster said, i don't remember seeing any description of that in the manual...but I certainly could be wrong. I also remember specifically asking my CA if it had that feature, since i was used to it with my acura (as were you i'm assuming), and he said no. Of course, the CAs certainly don't know everything about a car.

I'm glad I read this thread today. My car is currently in the shop (again) for another issue. I'll see if I can get them to fix the shopping cart issue too.

[Kilgore Trout]

Originally Posted by matts335

Are you sure about that? Like an above poster said, i don't remember seeing any description of that in the manual...but I certainly could be wrong. I also remember specifically asking my CA if it had that feature, since i was used to it with my acura (as were you i'm assuming), and he said no. Of course, the CAs certainly don't know everything about a car.
I'm glad I read this thread today. My car is currently in the shop (again) for another issue. I'll see if I can get them to fix the shopping cart issue too.

No, I'm not sure. I was assuming. And, as you know, when you assume you make an ass out of u and me. Sorry for the misinformation.