[chris82]

Originally Posted by Miller335

C7 as in corvette?

That has a torque conveter automatic, no DCT.

Yup C7 corvette, and it does?! damn, that thing shifted fast as hell lol

[ikenjoku7]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Manuals are for filthy European peasants. Blue bloods like us need to keep one hand free, so that we can stroke our egos with it as we cruise pass all dirty peon wagons.

+1000

[Miller335]

Originally Posted by chris82

Yup C7 corvette, and it does?! damn, that thing shifted fast as hell lol

That's basically GM's answer to the 8ZF.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by gds52

I guess I'll keep my convertible for ever with 6MT until roof gives away and e93 becomes e92

That's the spirit!!

I saw some jerk in a E93 335 today on the turnpike going between 50-70, all over his lane. The guy had a phone in landscape mode and no hands on the wheel. Can you say Steptronic?

[John 070]

Isn't the X1 going fwd based? MB has done it. One day a thread will say, doesn't BmW have an inline RWD six anymore?

They already are standardizing on 55k + 4 cyl AWD cars....

[kunal_d]

Originally Posted by stickshift154

No They really do make a M5 Diesel

Read the link!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...81828268,d.aWw

Yes, I saw the link, an no it's not an "M5" diesel. As quoted from there.

"Says Eisenstein: "Sources tell TheDetroitBureau.com that the 550dM will deliver slightly less horsepower than the new gas-powered BMW M5, which makes 560 ponies. Final numbers will likely be in the 500 to 550 range. Torque, meanwhile, will well exceed the 500 lb-ft of the new M5, and could push north of 650 lb-ft."

This article was speculating about an upcoming model. When it was actually introduced, it was called the M550d not M5 diesel. The picture on said article is of an M5.

Quoted from Autocar...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...ines-diesel-m5
"More in line with the new 1M, it appears likely that the diesel performance car will bear a nameplate along the lines of 550dXM — the ‘d’ for diesel and the ‘X’ for all-wheel-drive in BMW lingo."

[Welcome to NBA Jam]

Do manuals even make BMWs anymore?

[mbanks21]

I gotta tell you, I've owned 9 BMWs, all manuals. From E30 325, E36 328i, 4 different E36 M3s (coupe, sedan, vert), E46 328i, E39 540i, to my current E90 330i. The 3 closest dealers to me don't even have a manual tranny to test drive. I'm very against autos but can admit I haven't driven one made in the last 2-3 years so it may be the way to go but my fear is nothing makes you feel as connected to the car and to the road as manually rowing through the gears. I'd be willing to lose .2-.3 seconds 0-60 for that satisfaction. I might have to get a 2011 335i and buy an extended warranty and enjoy the manual for the next 3-5 years until I'm forced to buy auto:\

[nukezero]

I got a manual here and I love it. Wouldn't trade it for automatic. Reliable as shit. Torque is great in all gears. It's also easy to service. Swap out the clutch and flywheel and its good for another 80-100k miles.

I'm at 99k miles now, stock clutch and flywheel. No problems.

It's true. Majority of americans don't want a manual since they're lazy and it sucks in traffic.

[GMe90]

Originally Posted by mbanks21

I gotta tell you, I've owned 9 BMWs, all manuals. From E30 325, E36 328i, 4 different E36 M3s (coupe, sedan, vert), E46 328i, E39 540i, to my current E90 330i. The 3 closest dealers to me don't even have a manual tranny to test drive. I'm very against autos but can admit I haven't driven one made in the last 2-3 years so it may be the way to go but my fear is nothing makes you feel as connected to the car and to the road as manually rowing through the gears. I'd be willing to lose .2-.3 seconds 0-60 for that satisfaction. I might have to get a 2011 335i and buy an extended warranty and enjoy the manual for the next 3-5 years until I'm forced to buy auto:\

The new autos suck compared to manuals as well. Autos will never be as fun as the manual.

[Dozhdbog]

Originally Posted by GMe90

The new autos suck compared to manuals as well. Autos will never be as fun as the manual.

The new autos shift faster, get to 60mph faster, do the 1/4 mile faster, allow you to deal with your kid while drinking coffee and shift easier, rev match, and can be set to comfort, sport, and track modes better than any stick. Get better mpg too.

That said, I love stick. But reality is reality. Stick is for people who like shifting with a clutch pedal, there isn't any other reason to buy one at this point.

[Mardio]

Originally Posted by GMe90

The new autos suck compared to manuals as well. Autos will never be as fun as the manual.

Try a DCT and tell me it sucks.

[jeff113]

Says Eisenstein: "Sources tell TheDetroitBureau.com that the 550dM will deliver slightly less horsepower than the new gas-powered BMW M5, which makes 560 ponies. Final numbers will likely be in the 500 to 550 range. Torque, meanwhile, will well exceed the 500 lb-ft of the new M5, and could push north of 650 lb-ft."

^ It's called a 550dM in the original article, using M5 was a mistake.

Originally Posted by stickshift154

No They really do make a M5 Diesel

Read the link!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...81828268,d.aWw

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Dozhdbog

The new autos shift faster, get to 60mph faster, do the 1/4 mile faster, allow you to deal with your kid while drinking coffee and shift easier, rev match, and can be set to comfort, sport, and track modes better than any stick. Get better mpg too.

That said, I love stick. But reality is reality. Stick is for people who like shifting with a clutch pedal, there isn't any other reason to buy one at this point.

I'm sorry, but a manual can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it. It doesn't need "modes"; modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission.

And I just don't get the issue with traffic and a manual trans. I drive in some of the worst traffic in the country (Washington DC/Northern, Virginia area) and using a manual is second nature to me, so it's just part of operating the machine; it makes me part of the machine, that's what it is about, being part of the machine. If you don't like shifting in traffic, then you probably don't like driving in traffic, so go get a Google car.

[bloppitybloop]

Originally Posted by Welcome to NBA Jam

Do manuals even make BMWs anymore?

+1

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm sorry, but a manual can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it. It doesn't need "modes"; modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission.

And I just don't get the issue with traffic and a manual trans. I drive in some of the worst traffic in the country (Washington DC/Northern, Virginia area) and using a manual is second nature to me, so it's just part of operating the machine; it makes me part of the machine, that's what it is about, being part of the machine. If you don't like shifting in traffic, then you probably don't like driving in traffic, so go get a Google car.

[Bob Shiftright]

Originally Posted by Dozhdbog

The new autos shift faster, get to 60mph faster, do the 1/4 mile faster, allow you to deal with your kid while drinking coffee and shift easier, rev match, and can be set to comfort, sport, and track modes better than any stick. Get better mpg too.

That said, I love stick. But reality is reality. Stick is for people who like shifting with a clutch pedal, there isn't any other reason to buy one at this point.

Manual transmissions and clutches tend to last longer than automatics, and gas mileage should be better in real world driving without torque converter slip, no matter what the EPA says. So there is that.

I can't see ever buying a real sports car without a manual transmission and because the one time I don't want to feel like I'm 16 again is when I'm driving, I need a daily driver with three pedals.

The selection of new station wagons (and SUVs) available with manual transmissions is certainly shrinking fast. While BMW has unfortunately lost me as a customer since they eliminated their manual transmission station wagons, they can point me down the street and in fact the Mini dealer is actually closer to home.

Honda seems to be keeping the faith, since the Civic Si is available only with a manual transmission. Unfortunately not with a hatchback body here in the US.

VW still offers a manual wagon, and there are the Golf R and GTi hatchbacks.

[drewnel22]

Originally Posted by Bob Shiftright

Manual transmissions and clutches tend to last longer than automatics, and gas mileage should be better in real world driving without torque converter slip, no matter what the EPA says. So there is that.

The lasting longer part I can give you but new autos do get better mileage than manuals. They have more ratios, a only slightly less efficient, easier to drive, smoother, etc. The fact is, autos have many more advantages over manual transmissions. Torque converter slip isn't an issue as many lock up just off idle so its not losing any power similar to a clutch.

Then there is also the issue that manufacturers don't sell as many manuals. You can blame the people for that. Manufacturers will only make what people will buy. It makes sense for them. They don't care about people crying that manuals are gone because they aren't the ones buying the majority of cars.

[GMe90]

Originally Posted by Mardio

Try a DCT and tell me it sucks.

I tried it. Same problem: no clutch pedal and shifting of my own gears. It's fast, but the MT is more than fast enough as well, especially on regular roads.

[GMe90]

Originally Posted by 10splaya22

The lasting longer part I can give you but new autos do get better mileage than manuals. They have more ratios, a only slightly less efficient, easier to drive, smoother, etc. The fact is, autos have many more advantages over manual transmissions. Torque converter slip isn't an issue as many lock up just off idle so its not losing any power similar to a clutch.

Then there is also the issue that manufacturers don't sell as many manuals. You can blame the people for that. Manufacturers will only make what people will buy. It makes sense for them. They don't care about people crying that manuals are gone because they aren't the ones buying the majority of cars.

How much of this is caused by the dealers? They always stock the automatics because they can charge more for them. That is a big contributing factor to the decline in MT.

[drewnel22]

Originally Posted by GMe90

How much of this is caused by the dealers? They always stock the automatics because they can charge more for them. That is a big contributing factor to the decline in MT.

That may be a small factor but overall people are buying autos because they are more convenient and get better mileage now. Plus people can have their hands free to do other things unfortunately.

Also there are many people who have never even driven a manual, been in a manual car or even know how it operates. Thats the way the culture in America is, its not being taught and new drivers will never learn.

[LaserPower]

Torque converter auto still takes too much time between pressing the pedal and shifting into the gears, especially downshifting. I'll take a DCT in a heartbeat, but I'll stick with manual if I have to choose between a manual and a torque converter.