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04-24-2007, 04:37 PM | #23 | |
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nah! ..... but it's about time we had another fridge thread
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04-24-2007, 06:08 PM | #26 |
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To add a little context:
5m/s2 equates roughly to 0.5g or 11mph/s acceleration. Various sources online suggest that a maximum braking force in the region of 1g can be achieved by current road cars. Therefore the brake force display should cut in significantly before ABS on a good dry road.
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Cool, so thats what it looks like
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04-25-2007, 07:26 AM | #29 |
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Have they changed the way it works, or is the US coded differently?
I ask as the brochure shows only one half of the brakelight lit for normal braking and both for BFD on. However, the video above shows a much more sensible approach of putting every bit of red light on that you can in an "emergency" stop by using the foglights.
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I certainly thought that in the UK, on the E92 it was the fog lights that acted as the second stage. I could be wrong.
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I was thinking more of the E90/91. I've got no idea what happens on the E92.
From the photo below you can see that the standard braking illumination (of Beauforty's E90 at least) is only half of the light cluster mounted in the wing. Also, the photo posted by NFS shows illumination of the full cluster within the wing for BFD. Given the video evidence from youtube posted by mmm def it would appear that one of three things is going on: 1. US spec cars are different to UK spec ones. (Euro nanny regs perhaps) 2. There has been a change to the system such that the foglight is now used. 3. It's actually a 3 stage system and the foglights come on with the ABS WARNING! Do not attempt to check brake force display in shop window reflections... you'll get arrested for ram raiding if you get it wrong.
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It used to be illegal to use rear fog lights as brake lights in the UK, as I found out years ago with one of my cars. Maybe this has changed now, but there are lots of different lighting regulations between US and UK cars.
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My inclination is that it probably is different, and that nanny EU regs are at play. For emergency stopping I see no probem with using the foglights as they woul be a real attention getter. Just a little more light area of the same intensity doesn't seem as strong an indication.
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Cars in the US don't have foglights (I believe) I'm wondering if the US cars display the full brake bar then use the foglight for the second stage. In the UK we need the fogs and it would be confusing if they flashed on braking. Therefore we have a different 2 stage system. The pick ksfrogman posted does not show the fogs illuminated - but it could be that the 2 stage system was not active in the picture .... |
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I love a bit of HARD braking every now and again... its great!
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As I was on bmw.co.uk playing with the configurator again last night I thought I'd email them to see what they had to say, and got a nice email today stating the following:
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So have we got LEDs for brake lights, or just LEDs for the extra brake force display? Is this true for both E90 and E92 - which did you enquire about?
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The e92 doesn't have LED's for brake lights? Where are the extra bits on the E92 for brake force display?
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Ok people, turn to page 120 of your E92 owners handbook.
Area 5 says "Rear fog light/two-stage brake light" However, area 4 says "Brake light, consisting of two individual bulbs" Image the left side lights on the car to be made up as follows: 4 3 5 2 6 1 where area 1 is the indicator and 3 is the reversing light. 2 and 6 are the LED tail lights which give the 3 line stripe effect. Everyone clear on this
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I did specifically title the email E90/91 Brake Force Display, but I think that the gentleman who replied had things slightly twisted with the first cars to introduce this feature, which I believe were the E46 coupes. In these the brakelights were indeed LED, but are no longer in the E9x series. Tail lights are LED on the E92 as I was following one a few weeks ago with a dodgy connection to the bootlid section that kept flashing on and off, I don't know about the E90/91.
However, this aside the critical items that are confirmed are the decelleration rate and the fact that in the UK the foglights are not used. The rest is almost directly from a generic BMW technology guide. Z4... I'd get the manual out... if only I had one
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Ok, the brochure I have actually shows the fogs on where it talks about second stage braking... hmmm
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