good air...WOW!!!

max boost · 07-21-2007, 10:06 AM

last night had some clean crisp air and man my shit loved it!
with my ....... http://www.beltronics.com/fx.html
the car trapped 111mph and that wasnt even trying....traction control on and no foot brake nothing...granny coulda done it!

i am telling u guys V2.0 clean air and DP these cars will trap 115!

zenmaster · 07-21-2007, 10:18 AM

Anyone ever run the FX on the drag strip to assess its accuracy?

sflgator · 07-21-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by zenmaster

Anyone ever run the FX on the drag strip to assess its accuracy?

Yes, I took my Beltronics Vector FX1 to the drag strip when I ran 13.097 sec. @ 106.67mph. My Vector FX1 was actually fairly accurate...within 2/10ths of a sec. in the 1/4 mi. and it showed slower not faster time and trap speed.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=24

zenmaster · 07-21-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sflgator

Yes, I took my Beltronics Vector FX1 to the drag strip when I ran 13.097 sec. @ 106.67mph. My Vector FX1 was actually fairly accurate...within 2/10ths of a sec. in the 1/4 mi. and it showed slower not faster time and trap speed.

Beltronics claims .05 second accuracy. Can you adjust parameters to improve your accuracy? How precise is it?

max boost · 07-21-2007, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Anyone ever run the FX on the drag strip to assess its accuracy?

pretty dam accurate...run it MANY times @ track and its dam close...no BS

andrewflk · 07-21-2007, 01:18 PM

How do these (like Vector FX1) Compensate if you are not on level ground? Do you run both ways and average? I’ve heard even a couple degrees of incline/decline can make a big difference.

e.n335 · 07-21-2007, 01:48 PM

They don't compensate. You have to run both directions to know the times as accurate as possible, I guess.

I have the FX2 since a couple of days and I'm happy that it is that accurate, so I can verify whether my performance modifications are successful being within a close range compared to your results.

zenmaster · 07-21-2007, 01:55 PM

Using Google, I couldn't find a single review on either the FX or FX2. Anyone know of a review?

e.n335 · 07-21-2007, 02:08 PM

I could not find reviews as well. I bought it based on the good feedback of serveral users on serveral forums. All say it's pretty accurate. With this thing your track can be everywhere

. Ok, nearly

. Paid US$ 70 for a new FX2 ( ebay ).

zenmaster · 07-21-2007, 02:16 PM

The G-Tech may be a more accurate device. However, it costs over twice as much. Car and driver article on the subject: Do Inexpensive Performance Meters Work?

M&M · 07-21-2007, 02:25 PM

Racelogic VBox is the only way to go.

hool97 · 07-21-2007, 02:29 PM

I have the G-Tech and it works great. You have to run it at the track to really dial it in though. You have to see what pitch your car makes when starting off. You can set the incline and decline if the area is consistent in that regard. IE, down slope 5 deg. throughout the run area. You do this by running once and it will pick up the slope. This is because in reality the device would never know how you mounted it(angles) so it has to adjust on the first run.

e.n335 · 07-21-2007, 02:34 PM

I can't remember where I read it, the G-Tech and FX2 seem to be quite equal accurate. List Price of the FX2 is US$ 179.

zenmaster · 07-21-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

I can't remember where I read it, the G-Tech and FX2 seem to be quite equal accurate. List Price of the FX2 is US$ 179.

But G-Tech claims to be more accurate. Bel FX2 is $85, including shipping, on ebay.

e.n335 · 07-21-2007, 03:18 PM

Then get the G-Tech

hotrod182 · 07-21-2007, 03:20 PM

My Gtech Pro RR ran some EXACT numbers at the track.I was very impressed. It also has great graphing software that comes with it.

Sniz · 07-21-2007, 03:24 PM

111mph is a great run....way to go. I hit 109 so far, hoping to hit 110+ once I get my shiftpoints down better. Oh yeah, and take a bunch of crap out of my trunk.

judec · 07-21-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by M&M

Racelogic VBox is the only way to go.

which one do U mean? the full setup for 10k$, or the "cheap" PerformanceBox or driftbox for only around 500$?

LOL, sorry to say, I know your intention was to help, but I'm affraid it's way off the league

hotrod182 · 07-21-2007, 10:16 PM

If I didn't just purchase my GTech Pro recently, I would have purchased the Racelogic Performance Box. At only $499, its only $200 more than my Gtech. Not that I have any issues with the GTech in my car, but I think swapping the unit from car to car, different tilt values, surface grade comparisons, etc..the VBox would be more consistant. For those of you who don't have a performanc meter, this seems like a great deal:

http://vboxusa.com/performancedrift/performancebox.php

Either way, these things are great for assessing performance mods, and to practice your launch techniques. You will be glad you got one.

zenmaster · 07-21-2007, 11:48 PM

I was surprised how accurate these things are. Found this:
"Comparison of: Racelogic PerformanceBox Performance Meter Tesla Electronics Inc. G-TECH / Pro RR Performance Meter"
test report.

A couple of things anout this report:
How do we know the accuracy of the VBOXIII?

They should have mentioned that although the accuracy on the G-Tech is lower, the differences in times are consistently about the same amount. The G-Tech's precision is enough where a simple correction factor (if known) would bring it much closer to the accuracy of the PerformanceBox. However, a similar consistency with the G-Tech's trap speed calc. is not indicated.

hotrod182 · 07-22-2007, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenmaster

I was surprised how accurate these things are. Found this:
"Comparison of: Racelogic PerformanceBox Performance Meter Tesla Electronics Inc. G-TECH / Pro RR Performance Meter"
test report.

A couple of things anout this report:
How do we know the accuracy of the VBOXIII?

They should have mentioned that although the accuracy on the G-Tech is lower, the differences in times are consistently about the same amount. The G-Tech's precision is enough where a simple correction factor (if known) would bring it much closer to the accuracy of the PerformanceBox. However, a similar consistency with the G-Tech's trap speed calc. is not indicated.

Yup, these things are very close. Much closer than you could consistantly achieve with a stop watch. Try clicking off .10 second consistanty on your watch. Also, compared to the timing lights, there is some variance with the VBOX III anyways. The GTech is accurate enough, that through several runs, you can see how your car is performing. Thats why I always make 3 runs, on the same exact stretch of road. You can tell which runs are consistant, and if one is an aberration. It would have been nice to see how it compared against the Beltronics unit.

M&M · 07-22-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by judec

which one do U mean? the full setup for 10k$, or the "cheap" PerformanceBox or driftbox for only around 500$?

Sorry I meant PerformanceBox or Driftbox. I have both the PerformanceBox & the full blown 20hz Vbox. I put both in the car & ran it 5 times at the strip. The times & traps where VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL. I mean like 0.002 out on time & less than 0.05 mph out on trap.

But of course that is to be expected at the speeds we are testing. There won't be much difference between 5hz & 20hz for our applications.

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