WAGNER IC Dynos

DieselDiner · 02-22-2013, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335dFan

Warning---dumb question coming. I guess you could run a Wagner IC with an Evolve tune too?

Yes.

335dFan · 02-22-2013, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cssnms

You could even put it on your car without a tune.

Duh! I asked because there was the implication that to get the full advantage out of the IC you should tweak your tune. Renntech seems to have a handle on that, but wasn't sure if Evolve would.

GreekboyD · 02-22-2013, 04:41 PM

What were the temperatures being discussed here?

cssnms · 02-22-2013, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335dFan

Duh! I asked because there was the implication that to get the full advantage out of the IC you should tweak your tune. Renntech seems to have a handle on that, but wasn't sure if Evolve would.

The only tweaking that may or may not be required would be because of to much of a pressure drop and need to compensate for that with more boost. That being said, a tuner might be willing to squeeze more juice out of your car if you have a larger IC, since most of the off-shelf tunes are set-up for a stock engine.

In any event Evolve can set custom parameters as well, but ideally that should not be necessary.

Puerto Rican 335d · 02-23-2013, 04:02 AM

Dynojet . Car was reprogrammed prior to flash.

cssnms · 02-23-2013, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

Dynojet . Car was reprogrammed prior to flash.

Axel, to clarify, do you mean Renntech reprogrammed your car prior to your first/baseline dyno session without the Wagner IC?

Puerto Rican 335d · 02-23-2013, 08:13 AM

Ok was programmed by Renntech then w the egr issue I lost somewhat 30 ponies I then wrnt t lakepark and had lenny give better set up we dynoed and got 307 whp vice 300, now we got 311.29 but at higher temp on that particular hope this clears any misunderstandings

cssnms · 02-23-2013, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

Ok was programmed by Renntech then w the egr issue I lost somewhat 30 ponies I then wrnt t lakepark and had lenny give better set up we dynoed and got 307 whp vice 300, now we got 311.29 but at higher temp on that particular hope this clears any misunderstandings

Gracias amigo

GreekboyD · 02-23-2013, 11:09 AM

This is the e-mail I just got from Carsten at Wagner Tuning:

"Hello John,

We've been waiting for our Flowbench almost 20 weeks. We finally got it last week. In the past we did send the coolers
out and had them tested, their bench was not pushing enough air for testing the coolers for bigger applications. Now we have our own bench that is able to push 1000cfm. We will have power for it by end of next week, a bit of time for calibration and testing. So we are looking around 2 weeks for some results."

Puerto Rican 335d · 02-23-2013, 02:34 PM

Ok amigos there u go a positive response for those doubters

FormerRotor · 02-23-2013, 04:29 PM

PR, thanks for taking the time to post & clarify, man! U2 Greek!

corbin · 02-23-2013, 06:32 PM

Excellent work boys

GreekboyD · 02-24-2013, 12:15 AM

Some more info. I e-mailed Wagner to get some details on their cores, specifically if they were Garrett ones:

Hello John,

No we are not using "off the Shelf Cores"
All our Cores are made to our specs by European standard DIN ISO
Certified Radiator companies, to ensure the quality.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/ best Regards

Carsten Wagner

taibanl · 02-24-2013, 07:00 PM

Whats the latest on your mpeegeees

GreekboyD · 02-24-2013, 07:06 PM

Forgot to mention that Carsten said the IC was a "bar and plate" type, not a "tube and fin" design.

Puerto Rican 335d · 02-25-2013, 05:19 AM

Ok amigos test drove the ANIMAL, the car is driving like a BAT out of hell specifically from 60 to 120 yes you READ that CORRECTO!! As far as mpg I have seen some gain but most of my driving is in the city and thats what Im focusing on, so it wont be until next tank fuel I can give a better assesment. So far I have over 180 miles and still two and half notches before half tank. And trust me I have been driving this BIATCH yesterday alone I cranked about 5 times to 130 mph and still begging for more

Puerto Rican 335d · 02-25-2013, 05:26 AM

Amigos I must tell you this WAGNER IC is by far well developed!! I have seen others but DO NOT compare to WAGNER as far as I am concern, not to discredit others. Even my mechanic and his employees stated that this by far was one of the best ICs he had seen and he has installed alot of them on Bimmers and other vehicles.

335dFan · 02-25-2013, 05:41 AM

Hmmm, maybe I should add this to my performance wish list. Just the way to attract the law and increase the chances of an early demise.

Puerto Rican 335d · 02-25-2013, 05:42 AM

335d you will regret it if you DONT LOL, trust me TurboEd from another forum did it w/o a flash and he noticed great gains in performance and MPG!!!!

GreekboyD · 02-25-2013, 05:46 AM

I eagerly await the test results from Wagner. Let's see if their two week promise holds up.

Puerto Rican 335d · 02-25-2013, 05:49 AM

greek amigo be patient on this they have been the ONLY source to offer and construct something for us, BTW Im enjoy my IC as we speak LOL

GreekboyD · 02-25-2013, 05:51 AM

Good stuff amigo. I have many more mods to do before the IC so I have LOTS of patience...lol.

02-22-2013, 04:41 PM	#25
GreekboyD Brigadier General 411 Rep 3,049 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	What were the temperatures being discussed here?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-23-2013, 04:02 AM	#27
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Dynojet . Car was reprogrammed prior to flash. __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-23-2013, 08:13 AM	#29
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Ok was programmed by Renntech then w the egr issue I lost somewhat 30 ponies I then wrnt t lakepark and had lenny give better set up we dynoed and got 307 whp vice 300, now we got 311.29 but at higher temp on that particular hope this clears any misunderstandings __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-23-2013, 11:09 AM	#31
GreekboyD Brigadier General 411 Rep 3,049 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	This is the e-mail I just got from Carsten at Wagner Tuning: "Hello John, We've been waiting for our Flowbench almost 20 weeks. We finally got it last week. In the past we did send the coolers out and had them tested, their bench was not pushing enough air for testing the coolers for bigger applications. Now we have our own bench that is able to push 1000cfm. We will have power for it by end of next week, a bit of time for calibration and testing. So we are looking around 2 weeks for some results."
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-23-2013, 02:34 PM	#32
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Ok amigos there u go a positive response for those doubters
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-23-2013, 04:29 PM	#33
FormerRotor Lieutenant Colonel 95 Rep 1,592 Posts Drives: 2011 335d, M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MD iTrader: (5) Garage List 2011 BMW 335d [0.00] 2017 BMW X5 xdrive35d [0.00]	PR, thanks for taking the time to post & clarify, man! U2 Greek!
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-23-2013, 06:32 PM	#34
corbin Enlisted Member 4 Rep 43 Posts Drives: 335d 2010 & x5d 2012 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san diego ca iTrader: (0)	Excellent work boys
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-24-2013, 12:15 AM	#35
GreekboyD Brigadier General 411 Rep 3,049 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	Some more info. I e-mailed Wagner to get some details on their cores, specifically if they were Garrett ones: Hello John, No we are not using "off the Shelf Cores" All our Cores are made to our specs by European standard DIN ISO Certified Radiator companies, to ensure the quality. Mit freundlichen Grüßen/ best Regards Carsten Wagner
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-24-2013, 07:00 PM	#36
taibanl Brigadier General 281 Rep 4,121 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NA iTrader: (4)	Whats the latest on your mpeegeees
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-24-2013, 07:06 PM	#37
GreekboyD Brigadier General 411 Rep 3,049 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	Forgot to mention that Carsten said the IC was a "bar and plate" type, not a "tube and fin" design.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-25-2013, 05:19 AM	#38
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Ok amigos test drove the ANIMAL, the car is driving like a BAT out of hell specifically from 60 to 120 yes you READ that CORRECTO!! As far as mpg I have seen some gain but most of my driving is in the city and thats what Im focusing on, so it wont be until next tank fuel I can give a better assesment. So far I have over 180 miles and still two and half notches before half tank. And trust me I have been driving this BIATCH yesterday alone I cranked about 5 times to 130 mph and still begging for more __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-25-2013, 05:26 AM	#39
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Amigos I must tell you this WAGNER IC is by far well developed!! I have seen others but DO NOT compare to WAGNER as far as I am concern, not to discredit others. Even my mechanic and his employees stated that this by far was one of the best ICs he had seen and he has installed alot of them on Bimmers and other vehicles. __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-25-2013, 05:41 AM	#40
335dFan Jumping Jack Flash 321 Rep 1,692 Posts Drives: 2021 X3 M40i Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: California (east of Sacramento) iTrader: (0) Garage List 2021 BMW X3 M40i [0.00] 2017 Toyota Prius [0.00]	Hmmm, maybe I should add this to my performance wish list. Just the way to attract the law and increase the chances of an early demise. __________________ 2021 X3 M40i: M Sport Differential, Adaptive M Suspension. Previous BMWs: 1971 BMW 2002, 1973 BMW R75/5, and 2011 BMW 335d Previous Other Vehicles: '67 Cougar, '70 911e, '86 Jetta Diesel, '05 and '12 Foresters, et al.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-25-2013, 05:42 AM	#41
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	335d you will regret it if you DONT LOL, trust me TurboEd from another forum did it w/o a flash and he noticed great gains in performance and MPG!!!! __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now) Last edited by Puerto Rican 335d; 02-25-2013 at 05:43 AM.. Reason: corrections
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-25-2013, 05:46 AM	#42
GreekboyD Brigadier General 411 Rep 3,049 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	I eagerly await the test results from Wagner. Let's see if their two week promise holds up.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-25-2013, 05:49 AM	#43
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	greek amigo be patient on this they have been the ONLY source to offer and construct something for us, BTW Im enjoy my IC as we speak LOL __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-25-2013, 05:51 AM	#44
GreekboyD Brigadier General 411 Rep 3,049 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	Good stuff amigo. I have many more mods to do before the IC so I have LOTS of patience...lol.
	Appreciate 0 Quote