19" RFT tyre change

nobby810996 · 11-16-2012, 01:33 PM

Evening everybody,
My less than a year old style 199 black rear alloys have just been damaged by my local dealer when replacing the rear 19" RFT's and I'm told it's extremely difficult to change these tyres because of the style of wheel and the size of tyre.

They've agreed to a refurb, but for future reference what would a competent tyre fitter be able to do to protect the wheel from damage? I refuse to believe that there's nothing can be done (as they've suggested).

I'll have to go elsewhere in future anyway - they've told me they won't supply me tyres again!!

Hope · 11-16-2012, 01:34 PM

And they couldn't tell you this before?

They seem to have told you after with such confidence!

nobby810996 · 11-16-2012, 01:37 PM

They managed fine when I got the wheels last year - wonder if its removal of old rather than putting on new? Any tyre fitting experts about?

Frobius · 11-16-2012, 02:25 PM

I was pretty surprised just how much effort it took to get my run flats off. I think from watching them, it wouldn't be hard to do it without damaging them tho. They just need to be careful. The bit I thought would cause damage, and did, was whether put the wheel flat on the machine to get the tyre levers under it and get it off the rim. The little hooks at the back of the wheel were metal and he def banged my wheel off one of them when he put the wheel on the machine.

pretendporsche · 11-16-2012, 03:11 PM

Any tyre can be taken off/fitted without damage, it all depends on the fitter.

Yes some tyres are tighter than others, but it can all be protected with rags etc IF the fitter cares enough.

I use a particular v experienced fitter at my local tyre shop, he managed to stretch a 245/35/18 onto my 10j porsche wheels, then back off again (for strip down) then finally back on without a single mark.

a11y · 11-16-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pretendporsche

Any tyre can be taken off/fitted without damage, it all depends on the fitter.

That's it in one: purely down to the skill/level-of-f**ckness given by the fitter. Wide, low-profile, solid-sidewall tyres are about the worst combo but a decent fitter should manage it without damaging the wheels.

BanziBarn · 11-17-2012, 04:58 AM

I usually go into the situation prepared for damage and the subsequent hassle getting it sorted. Luckily, it's only happened once on my Civic Type-r - that was a royal nightmare to sort out.

But I always get the fitter to check the wheels over before so there can be no confusion.

Thing is, if you give your car to someone there is always a chance of damage.

I've had a wheel on my Leon curbed while in the body shop (another nightmare) and just a couple of weeks ago my rear bumper was damaged when in for a service. The time before that at the same dealer I picked the car up to find oil all over the leather.

It seems to me, the only way you stop this stuff is if you never let anyone other than you touch your car - of course impossible.

It's a stress!

But I agree, it should be possible to change a tyre without damaging the wheel - I mean, if it was impossible then surely a refurb would need to be included in the price of the fitting!

EQUANT · 11-17-2012, 06:47 AM

Did the fitter use the special RFT mounting tools?

Dr Dave · 11-17-2012, 08:22 AM

Yes, I was going to say RFT requires some fancy machinery to fit them without damage plus a competant fitter!

Mwp4me · 11-17-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nobby810996

Evening everybody,
My less than a year old style 199 black rear alloys have just been damaged by my local dealer when replacing the rear 19" RFT's and I'm told it's extremely difficult to change these tyres because of the style of wheel and the size of tyre.

They've agreed to a refurb, but for future reference what would a competent tyre fitter be able to do to protect the wheel from damage? I refuse to believe that there's nothing can be done (as they've suggested).

I'll have to go elsewhere in future anyway - they've told me they won't supply me tyres again!!

Sorry to hear that. What fitter did you use so that I can avoid.

nobby810996 · 11-17-2012, 09:48 AM

I'll have the guy off the video next time! It was a local dealer - next time I think I'll use a tyre specialist. Took a look at the machine they used and a bit much exposed metal for my liking - suspect it was just fired on and away you go.

a11y · 11-17-2012, 01:34 PM

Guy I've used before was an independent local fitter (not part of any big chain), usual line of business was truck/bus tyres. But the machine he had in the back of van was amazing - 18" RFTs (removal of only!) without a scratch on the polished lips.

Built4Sin · 11-17-2012, 02:33 PM

Equant thanks for the videos! I had mine changed earlier this week and watching the tech do it without the proper equipment had me stressed watching!

It looked like the bars were killing my edges with the tech yanking up and down in a crazy manner; however I could easily see how tight the tire was.

I was good to go in the end with no damage amazingly, yet in the future I'll see if I could locate somebody with the proper gear.

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nobby810996 Second Lieutenant 37 Rep 275 Posts Drives: F30 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: U.K. iTrader: (0)	They managed fine when I got the wheels last year - wonder if its removal of old rather than putting on new? Any tyre fitting experts about?
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pretendporsche Private 9 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2003 E46M3, 2008 E92 335i Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: South England iTrader: (0)	Any tyre can be taken off/fitted without damage, it all depends on the fitter. Yes some tyres are tighter than others, but it can all be protected with rags etc IF the fitter cares enough. I use a particular v experienced fitter at my local tyre shop, he managed to stretch a 245/35/18 onto my 10j porsche wheels, then back off again (for strip down) then finally back on without a single mark.
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BanziBarn Lieutenant Colonel 106 Rep 1,800 Posts Drives: BMW 330D E90 LCI Msport Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London iTrader: (0)	I usually go into the situation prepared for damage and the subsequent hassle getting it sorted. Luckily, it's only happened once on my Civic Type-r - that was a royal nightmare to sort out. But I always get the fitter to check the wheels over before so there can be no confusion. Thing is, if you give your car to someone there is always a chance of damage. I've had a wheel on my Leon curbed while in the body shop (another nightmare) and just a couple of weeks ago my rear bumper was damaged when in for a service. The time before that at the same dealer I picked the car up to find oil all over the leather. It seems to me, the only way you stop this stuff is if you never let anyone other than you touch your car - of course impossible. It's a stress! But I agree, it should be possible to change a tyre without damaging the wheel - I mean, if it was impossible then surely a refurb would need to be included in the price of the fitting! __________________ Black 330d E90 LCI M Sport Saloon Auto. Privacy Glass, Cream Leather, 6FL, I-Drive/Nav/Bluetooth, Alpine hifi upgrade.
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nobby810996 Second Lieutenant 37 Rep 275 Posts Drives: F30 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: U.K. iTrader: (0)	I'll have the guy off the video next time! It was a local dealer - next time I think I'll use a tyre specialist. Took a look at the machine they used and a bit much exposed metal for my liking - suspect it was just fired on and away you go.
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a11y First Lieutenant 21 Rep 309 Posts Drives: VW T5 Campervan... Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Central Scotland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2004 VW T5 Campervan [0.00]	Guy I've used before was an independent local fitter (not part of any big chain), usual line of business was truck/bus tyres. But the machine he had in the back of van was amazing - 18" RFTs (removal of only!) without a scratch on the polished lips. __________________ It's gone - no longer an e90 330i owner
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