[fl335i]

^Going to say the Camaro is a very solid poney car platform. Bang for the buck it's hard to beat. Pushrod V8 that they've been tweaking since the mid 1950's. I have a 2014 Silverado with the 5.3L. Direct injection. WOW. I am super impressed. 23k on it and it's like running maintaining a Camry. I have a AFE catback on the truck. That's it. I guess my point is years ago the American cars were real rubbish and didn't have much power. But the new ones are giving the germans and asians a run for the money. Out of the box with crazy HP numbers, direct injection, great MPG, cheap maintenance etc. Compare a SS Camaro vs 335i maintenance for 5yrs. At some point you have to honestly ask yourself if the additional tech jargon, headaches, maintenance etc are worth it. I still think the Camaro is too physically large. It's got 35" tires on it and it's the size of a small classroom IMO. They need to scale the camaro down before I buy one. But from a mechanical point it's solid IMO. New Mustang is the right size, but I don't care for the look. All slanted over or something.. ick. I used to be the biggest anti-GM person alive 10yrs ago. I had a 89 corvette and hated it. parents had GM's in the late 90's, all rubbish. But I was so impressed with my '14 Silverado and it's 5.3L and the MPG's and power I bought my wife a '15 Buick Enclave and like it too. Dumped the Road noise Honda. Plus the GM's have solid powertrains with 8yr?/100k warranties. I bought my Silverado for work. Work vehicle. so operating cost was a huge factor and the silverado won the battle. Warranty, MPG's, operating cost, Locking Diff, power, and looks + love the new interior. I've come to the point in life where I don't play brand wars. I'm a consumer and business guy. Not BMW, Gm, Ford etc will pay my mortgage or keep my business afloat. I buy the best tool for the job at hand. May the best one win.

And I still think my '03 E39 530i M sport 5spd manual was the pinnacle of BMW's days and quality. I have not been impressed with BMW interiors since then. My '14 Silverado has a better interior than most late model BMW's. I have my 335i up for sale to buy a offshore powerboat. If and when I come back to BMW's it will be with a E39 M5. I think the E36 M cars of the 90's and the E39 M5 are what brought BMW to the top.

[bender rodriguez]

Originally Posted by fl335i

^Going to say the Camaro is a very solid poney car platform. Bang for the buck it's hard to beat. Pushrod V8 that they've been tweaking since the mid 1950's. I have a 2014 Silverado with the 5.3L. Direct injection. WOW. I am super impressed. 23k on it and it's like running maintaining a Camry. I have a AFE catback on the truck. That's it. I guess my point is years ago the American cars were real rubbish and didn't have much power. But the new ones are giving the germans and asians a run for the money. Out of the box with crazy HP numbers, direct injection, great MPG, cheap maintenance etc. Compare a SS Camaro vs 335i maintenance for 5yrs. At some point you have to honestly ask yourself if the additional tech jargon, headaches, maintenance etc are worth it. I still think the Camaro is too physically large. It's got 35" tires on it and it's the size of a small classroom IMO. They need to scale the camaro down before I buy one. But from a mechanical point it's solid IMO. New Mustang is the right size, but I don't care for the look. All slanted over or something.. ick. I used to be the biggest anti-GM person alive 10yrs ago. I had a 89 corvette and hated it. parents had GM's in the late 90's, all rubbish. But I was so impressed with my '14 Silverado and it's 5.3L and the MPG's and power I bought my wife a '15 Buick Enclave and like it too. Dumped the Road noise Honda.

Well, you can always put their crate engine in the choice of your car.

[fl335i]

^GM crate motor in a E39. Best of both worlds. Thanks for the idea. I'll buy a $3k 528i and drop the Camaro SS motor into it haha. No M5 headaches and more power. And the sexy E39 car.

[Kevinl]

I recommend the op go buy a mustang today so i dont have to hear his daily whining threads anymore

And when you buy one dont come post about it because no one cares

[rick100]

Originally Posted by brewnami

Just had to check to see if I accidentally wrote that on a Mustang forum. Nope. In my opinion, and I've driven a 2015 Mustang, that it doesn't even compare in terms of quality of everything you sit in and touch. This is why I own a BMW. i've owned four BMW's two of them FBO N54's and I've never had an issue outside of replacing coilpacks, one battery and one flash related issue so not everyone has these massive amounts of problems, but everyone who does comes here to complain about it. But, if you don't already, I'd recommend you sell your BMW and buy a new Mustang because they're cheaper and better in every category.

Yea for sure. I will probably get the new mustang 5.0 next. I sat on both and the mustang is almost on par with the bmw. As per reliability , well I been around muscle cars a lot and I think they are far more reliable than BMW.

Handling was a big issue before , but now with the new independent suspension , the new mustang is hard to beat. They have come a long way and the new 5.0 mustang pretty much meets all my requirements.

If they both were close in price then the BMW would be the first choice , but due to the price difference then it is a no question the mustang would be the better choice.

Now I can understand owning a bmw sounds better than owning a ford and this is probably the reason a lot of people ( including myself) bought a BMW.

[Gmanuel]

Originally Posted by fl335i

^Going to say the Camaro is a very solid poney car platform. Bang for the buck it's hard to beat. Pushrod V8 that they've been tweaking since the mid 1950's. I have a 2014 Silverado with the 5.3L. Direct injection. WOW. I am super impressed. 23k on it and it's like running maintaining a Camry. I have a AFE catback on the truck. That's it. I guess my point is years ago the American cars were real rubbish and didn't have much power. But the new ones are giving the germans and asians a run for the money. Out of the box with crazy HP numbers, direct injection, great MPG, cheap maintenance etc. Compare a SS Camaro vs 335i maintenance for 5yrs. At some point you have to honestly ask yourself if the additional tech jargon, headaches, maintenance etc are worth it. I still think the Camaro is too physically large. It's got 35" tires on it and it's the size of a small classroom IMO. They need to scale the camaro down before I buy one. But from a mechanical point it's solid IMO. New Mustang is the right size, but I don't care for the look. All slanted over or something.. ick. I used to be the biggest anti-GM person alive 10yrs ago. I had a 89 corvette and hated it. parents had GM's in the late 90's, all rubbish. But I was so impressed with my '14 Silverado and it's 5.3L and the MPG's and power I bought my wife a '15 Buick Enclave and like it too. Dumped the Road noise Honda. Plus the GM's have solid powertrains with 8yr?/100k warranties. I bought my Silverado for work. Work vehicle. so operating cost was a huge factor and the silverado won the battle. Warranty, MPG's, operating cost, Locking Diff, power, and looks + love the new interior. I've come to the point in life where I don't play brand wars. I'm a consumer and business guy. Not BMW, Gm, Ford etc will pay my mortgage or keep my business afloat. I buy the best tool for the job at hand. May the best one win.

And I still think my '03 E39 530i M sport 5spd manual was the pinnacle of BMW's days and quality. I have not been impressed with BMW interiors since then. My '14 Silverado has a better interior than most late model BMW's. I have my 335i up for sale to buy a offshore powerboat. If and when I come back to BMW's it will be with a E39 M5. I think the E36 M cars of the 90's and the E39 M5 are what brought BMW to the top.

And those old iron 5.3's can take 1000 on stock internals for quite awhile. The 6th gen Camaro is going to be about the same size as the stang. Camaro is probably going to be my next car. I really want to see a diesel powered Canyon, that would make an awesome light duty pickup.

[3s4u2]

Just make sure you buy a 2015 or newer GT or better. They are the best Mustangs produced to date and aren't that bad looking...

[brewnami]

Originally Posted by rick100

Yea for sure. I will probably get the new mustang 5.0 next. I sat on both and the mustang is almost on par with the bmw. As per reliability , well I been around muscle cars a lot and I think they are far more reliable than BMW.

Handling was a big issue before , but now with the new independent suspension , the new mustang is hard to beat. They have come a long way and the new 5.0 mustang pretty much meets all my requirements.

If they both were close in price then the BMW would be the first choice , but due to the price difference then it is a no question the mustang would be the better choice.

Now I can understand owning a bmw sounds better than owning a ford and this is probably the reason a lot of people ( including myself) bought a BMW.

Well perfect, you found a car you like, you should buy it. I'm sure many people buy a BMW for the name, I bought it because I have been modifying cars for almost 15 years and there are not many cars can you buy a RWD coupe for this price and spend $1,000 on mods and be well over 400whp with this level of refinement and luxury.

[rick100]

Originally Posted by brewnami

Well perfect, you found a car you like, you should buy it. I'm sure many people buy a BMW for the name, I bought it because I have been modifying cars for almost 15 years and there are not many cars can you buy a RWD coupe for this price and spend $1,000 on mods and be well over 400whp with this level of refinement and luxury.

yea right , spend 1000$ and be over 400 at the wheels.... are you sure you ve modifying cars for over 15 years?

If you want to ran the 335 proper with 400 whp then you ll need a lot more than 1000 $ . Plus good luck keeping the car running for long

The new mustang gt runs stock close to 370 whp , plus a few upgrades can get you safely at 400 whp and it rans smooth. As per handling , sorry to tell you the mustang gt performs on par with the m3 , which is better than the 335 on the track ...plus now they have independent suspension

I can see the old mustang being less refined , however the new one is up there . Again , ford has done a really good job on the mustang.

I just can not justify the price difference between the mustang and the 435 in this case , unless of course I want the brand , which again is the case with most of us here. Personally the only bmw that interests me now is the m235 as you get a lot more for your buck

If you are talking about used car , the 335 ( n55) is better than the older mustang gt , price wise they have come down quite a bit , however reliability is still a big concern.

[GMe90]

I'm not so sure that the new Mustang GT handles better than the e9# 328i/335i. It's a lot heavier and didn't feel as stable to me as the e90 when I drove it on the highway.

[Newguy123]

The mustangs are nice! Drop 4k in mods and they make serious power all motor. Power to 8k and run 10s

[csu87]

Originally Posted by GMe90

I'm not so sure that the new Mustang GT handles better than the e9# 328i/335i. It's a lot heavier and didn't feel as stable to me as the e90 when I drove it on the highway.

Didn't the stang do better on the track than the new m3? Which whoops the e90?

[YouAreMyWorld]

Originally Posted by rick100

yea right , spend 1000$ and be over 400 at the wheels.... are you sure you ve modifying cars for over 15 years?

If you want to ran the 335 proper with 400 whp then you ll need a lot more than 1000 $ . Plus good luck keeping the car running for long

The new mustang gt runs stock close to 370 whp , plus a few upgrades can get you safely at 400 whp and it rans smooth. As per handling , sorry to tell you the mustang gt performs on par with the m3 , which is better than the 335 on the track ...plus now they have independent suspension

I can see the old mustang being less refined , however the new one is up there . Again , ford has done a really good job on the mustang.

I just can not justify the price difference between the mustang and the 435 in this case , unless of course I want the brand , which again is the case with most of us here. Personally the only bmw that interests me now is the m235 as you get a lot more for your buck

If you are talking about used car , the 335 ( n55) is better than the older mustang gt , price wise they have come down quite a bit , however reliability is still a big concern.

Lol, I'm sorry, but what the hell are you smoking? I don't care about your opinion, but don't start spewing nonfactual nonsense.

"Plus good luck keeping the car running for long", lol.

[bender rodriguez]

The new 2016 camaro does not even need mods... 455 HP stock on the SS model for 32k

[Gmanuel]

Originally Posted by bender rodriguez

The new 2016 camaro does not even need mods... 455 HP stock on the SS model for 32k

+1, and it will show the e90 and 5.0 its taillights on a track.
Also, the 5.0 did keep up with an e90 M3 on a track, and that was the '11-'14 model. The Camaro was the road racer of last gen pony cars, and it looks as if that will continue with this generation.
I love my 335, but I'm not going to miss maintaining the thing. I've spent a pretty penny on keeping this car tip top.
To lay out my mod price list:
$480 7" VRSF Intercooler
$259 Downpipes
$500 Used Cobb (Figure $400 or so for a used JB4?)
So ~$1200 for a 400 whp capable car

[rick100]

Originally Posted by YouAreMyWorld

Lol, I'm sorry, but what the hell are you smoking? I don't care about your opinion, but don't start spewing nonfactual nonsense.

"Plus good luck keeping the car running for long", lol.

Same here i can care less about yours. So if you think 1000 bucks would make your 335 ran 400 whp proper then u have no idea about car's

[3s4u2]

Originally Posted by bender rodriguez

The new 2016 camaro does not even need mods... 455 HP stock on the SS model for 32k

It actually looks a little better than the previous Camaro too!

[GMe90]

Originally Posted by csu87

Didn't the stang do better on the track than the new m3? Which whoops the e90?

I don't know what track you are referring to, but I know that M4 beat the GT around Willow Springs. The new M3/4 is faster than the GT pretty much everywhere. The GT is on par with the e90/92 M3. The GT would obviously beat a 328i and a 335i around a track because it has much more horsepower, but it still doesn't handle as well as the 328i and the 335i. It's too heavy. At least that's my impression after having driven all 3 cars. The 328i with sport package handled the best out of the three and felt the most stable at highway speeds.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by melloww22

335 has its problems thus to maintain it running and in good standing you need two things... Great warranty (OEM or Extended OEM) and money (2k a year) for maintenance,

The 335 is far cheaper to maintain than the M3/M4... A BMW is not meant for someone that doesn't have the cash to keep her running. Why? For those of us that go FBO or got the MOD bug, the cost should be expected. For those that want to keep her stock but drive her like she is stolen then you need the funds. For those that baby her and seldom take her for a fun drive, you will eventually need the funds.. No Mather what it financial costs and its expected.

The 5.0 is just cheaper to maintain but it's still a Fix Or Repair Daily car.

How true are those statements. I have a 335I with 100K on it and it is lots of maintenance, we also have a GT Mustang in the house with 100K, it too is requiring lots of maintenance, only difference cost, with the GT my son is choosing to upgrade things and still cost less to MOD and stock replacement on the 335I.

[brewnami]

Originally Posted by rick100

yea right , spend 1000$ and be over 400 at the wheels.... are you sure you ve modifying cars for over 15 years?

If you want to ran the 335 proper with 400 whp then you ll need a lot more than 1000 $ . Plus good luck keeping the car running for long

The new mustang gt runs stock close to 370 whp , plus a few upgrades can get you safely at 400 whp and it rans smooth. As per handling , sorry to tell you the mustang gt performs on par with the m3 , which is better than the 335 on the track ...plus now they have independent suspension

I can see the old mustang being less refined , however the new one is up there . Again , ford has done a really good job on the mustang.

I just can not justify the price difference between the mustang and the 435 in this case , unless of course I want the brand , which again is the case with most of us here. Personally the only bmw that interests me now is the m235 as you get a lot more for your buck

If you are talking about used car , the 335 ( n55) is better than the older mustang gt , price wise they have come down quite a bit , however reliability is still a big concern.

Alright, sir. Clearly you have not kept up with the N54 in quite some time.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...416797&page=16

About halfway down that thread you'll see a couple of my dyno slips. On my old 2007 335i, I put down 426 whp and 463 wtq with less than $1,000 of mods.

JB4 G5 map 5 $600 with DCI and USB cable
BMS DCI
BMS 3" downpipes $380
5.5 gallons of E85

Total: $980

Your lack of knowledge of this platform is really watering down your claims. I am not here to say the Mustang GT is a bad car, I am saying its a completely different feel and the OP should drive it first. The hood is massive, it feels really big, the interior feels inferior from the seats to everything you touch. Now those are all clearly opinions because we cannot quantify these things. You should seriously sell your BMW and buy one of these if its so much better. Then you can stop trolling the BMW forums with your banter about how much better American Muscle cars are than BMW's. I daily drive my FBO 335i with meth and never had issues outside of a flash tune related problem which has nothing to do with BMW. Many folks on here either came from American Muscle cars or have made the switch, some that switched were very temporary as discussed by the guy in this thread who went to a Camaro SS and right back to BMW.

Edit: Just noticed why you don't know a whole lot about the N54, I see you drive a 328i. It seems the trend in these forums are those who have 328i's need to justify their cheaper, slower purchase by publicly bashing the reliability of a car they've never owned based on the folks who only come in here to write about their issues. I have both a 328i and a 335i so I am not hating on the 328i. Its still a really nice car, just much slower and not as much fun to drive.

[jt335i]

Sorry OP about your car woes. Did you buy it new or used? If used, I'm guessing you were ond of the unfortunate ones who bought someone else's problems that they didn't want to deal with. I bought my 2010 335 new and haven't had any issues with it whatsoever since the first day I drove it off the dealer lot. I'm happy with mine and enjoy driving every mile in it. It's pretty reliable at 5 years, 6 months, and 59500+ miles. I'm sure the majority of 335s are reliable, but on sites like this and other sites, all you hear about are problems, problems, problems....and so it may seem that all 335s have issues with reliability which is not the case.

As for a Mustang 5.0, can't say much about the current 2015 models, but I do have a 2005 GT which I also bought new back in 2005. It may not be as fast as the today's models, stock for stock, but it's still a great car and which I enjoy driving. Haven't had any major issues with it either. At 10 years old and 88,600+ miles, this pony is still running strong like when it was new.

Good luck to you!

[Gmanuel]

Originally Posted by GMe90

I don't know what track you are referring to, but I know that M4 beat the GT around Willow Springs. The new M3/4 is faster than the GT pretty much everywhere. The GT is on par with the e90/92 M3. The GT would obviously beat a 328i and a 335i around a track because it has much more horsepower, but it still doesn't handle as well as the 328i and the 335i. It's too heavy. At least that's my impression after having driven all 3 cars. The 328i with sport package handled the best out of the three and felt the most stable at highway speeds.

An 11-14 GT only weighs about 100 ibs more than a 335i, less depending on options. The GT also comes with 235's, with some 255's (tire width of 335 with performance pack) the feeling is much improved. Saying it only beats the 335 and 328 because it has much more power is incorrect; if that were the case, the M3 would trounce it on the track, as it has essentially the exact same amount of power. So if it can keep up with an M3 (which has far superior handling and much more power than a stock 335), then I'd say it can grip the curves with some of the best.
Edit: I will admit that it does feel heavy to drive, but that could be a case where seeing that looong hood in front of you influences your sense of motion.