line locker illegal

AltecBX · 01-29-2011, 07:17 PM

Is using a line locker illegal?

ErvGotti · 01-29-2011, 07:22 PM

For the strip or the street?

AltecBX · 01-29-2011, 07:25 PM

Street.
Most things are legal on a track or strip.

Chefcg1 · 01-29-2011, 07:59 PM

unless your tracking with slicks pretty usless on the street IMO and they are NOT legal in NC.

ErvGotti · 01-29-2011, 08:04 PM

You also have an XI not sure how an AWD system would react with a line locker, And please dont be that guy street racing doing burnouts and stuff.

Chefcg1 · 01-29-2011, 08:06 PM

they are not legal because of the compression fiiting that most all i have seen used, as they do not meet DOT specs

Bimmer This · 01-29-2011, 08:24 PM

Why would they be illegal for street use? I don't see the point in this question.

AltecBX · 01-29-2011, 10:00 PM

A few people ask me about it but I never used one. I'm awd, so I don't think there's a point of me using it unless others know otherwise.

sti917 · 01-30-2011, 05:34 AM

[QUOTE=Chefcg1;8798207]they are not legal because of the compression fiiting that most all i have seen used, as they do not meet DOT specs[/QUOTE

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vase330 · 01-30-2011, 12:29 PM

Illegal everywhere in the US except on a suctioned track. But who is going to tell on you? Unless you are in a fatal accident and its your fault in which case anything illegal found on your car will be used to stack up charges on you, I wouldn't worry. But even that, your screwed anyway not like an extra illegal item on your car going to make too much of a difference other than just screw you much more than you are already screwed anyway.

Rotary Rasp · 01-30-2011, 01:12 PM

what's a line locker?

Al Blue4.6l · 01-30-2011, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vase330

Illegal everywhere in the US except on a suctioned track. But who is going to tell on you? Unless you are in a fatal accident and its your fault in which case anything illegal found on your car will be used to stack up charges on you, I wouldn't worry. But even that, your screwed anyway not like an extra illegal item on your car going to make too much of a difference other than just screw you much more than you are already screwed anyway.

thats a pretty broad statement. you know the law in all 50 states?

its illegal to have one installed on a car that never leaves private property?

I've never stumbled onto any related law in VA and I am pretty familiar with 46.2. of course, I've never had a reason to look for it and a DMV/DOT regulation could be involved.

O-cha · 01-30-2011, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Blue4.6l

thats a pretty broad statement. you know the law in all 50 states?

its illegal to have one installed on a car that never leaves private property?

I've never stumbled onto any related law in VA and I am pretty familiar with 46.2. of course, I've never had a reason to look for it and a DMV/DOT regulation could be involved.

Even if it's on private property if it's actively registered then the laws apply, even if it's at the track on private property.

And most things anyone on this forum does to their car is illegal.

Al Blue4.6l · 01-30-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O-cha

Even if it's on private property if it's actively registered then the laws apply, even if it's at the track on private property.

And most things anyone on this forum does to their car is illegal.

interesting. code section/regulation cites?

AltecBX · 01-30-2011, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

what's a line locker?

Installation of a solenoid between the front or rear brake lines (depending on the vehicle if its a FWD then it is installed on the rear lines but is rarely used thanks to the handbrake or if is a RWD vehicle then on the front lines) allowing you maintain brake pressure to just those brakes letting the driver engage drive and spin wheels while staying in the same spot i.e BURNOUT

Rotary Rasp · 01-30-2011, 10:54 PM

interesting....

Quote:

Originally Posted by AltecBX

Installation of a solenoid between the front or rear brake lines (depending on the vehicle if its a FWD then it is installed on the rear lines but is rarely used thanks to the handbrake or if is a RWD vehicle then on the front lines) allowing you maintain brake pressure to just those brakes letting the driver engage drive and spin wheels while staying in the same spot i.e BURNOUT

e90fun · 01-30-2011, 11:35 PM

its illegal, but no one would know unless your the dumbass sitting at a red light, doing a fat burnout with the line lock..
in that case, ur gonna get ticketed for the burnout and even then, the cop probably wont be curious about the line lock.

ar design · 01-31-2011, 12:22 PM

It is NOT street legal.

vase330 · 01-31-2011, 10:51 PM

Thank you sir. Some people don't seem to understand a law does not have to expressly state how a mod is illegal for it to be illegal. You are modifying the way braking system works as applys to DOT rules and that is illegal if your line lock is a solenoid or if you pick up a pebble and use it to block the line.

Here is a thought; It is a crime to commit murder. Whether using a knife, gun, fists etc is not expressly spelt out because there are any number of ways to accomplish the same result. So the law simply says about taking a human life. You go use a razor blade to cut up a guy and kill him, you will be just as convicted as the guy who used a gun. I doubt you will be asking the judge to show you where it talks of razor blade.

Moral of the story, don't ask me where it talks of line locks. If you still don't get it, just call your lawyer explain what you are talking about, then ask him if that is illegal then report back.

Al Blue4.6l · 02-01-2011, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vase330

Thank you sir. Some people don't seem to understand a law does not have to expressly state how a mod is illegal for it to be illegal. You are modifying the way braking system works as applys to DOT rules and that is illegal if your line lock is a solenoid or if you pick up a pebble and use it to block the line.

Here is a thought; It is a crime to commit murder. Whether using a knife, gun, fists etc is not expressly spelt out because there are any number of ways to accomplish the same result. So the law simply says about taking a human life. You go use a razor blade to cut up a guy and kill him, you will be just as convicted as the guy who used a gun. I doubt you will be asking the judge to show you where it talks of razor blade.

your example is erroneous.

in any event, I don't doubt that a regulation may be out there that covers this, and no, it wouldnt /necessarily/ have to specifically state "no vehicle operated ...blah blah... shall have line locks". but I would be interested to see the law/regulation/whatever that line locks violate.

there are an amazing number of "laws" out there that everyone "knows"...which are not actually the law.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vase330

Moral of the story, don't ask me where it talks of line locks. If you still don't get it, just call your lawyer explain what you are talking about, then ask him if that is illegal then report back.

people in my office might look at me funny if I call myself to talk about the legality of line locks.

sti917 · 02-01-2011, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Blue4.6l

thats a pretty broad statement. you know the law in all 50 states?

its illegal to have one installed on a car that never leaves private property?

I've never stumbled onto any related law in VA and I am pretty familiar with 46.2. of course, I've never had a reason to look for it and a DMV/DOT regulation could be involved.

stupidooooooooooooooooooooo

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vase330 Colonel 102 Rep 2,760 Posts Drives: 19 E63S; 15.5 RangeRover ATB Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Arlington, Va iTrader: (1)	Thank you sir. Some people don't seem to understand a law does not have to expressly state how a mod is illegal for it to be illegal. You are modifying the way braking system works as applys to DOT rules and that is illegal if your line lock is a solenoid or if you pick up a pebble and use it to block the line. Here is a thought; It is a crime to commit murder. Whether using a knife, gun, fists etc is not expressly spelt out because there are any number of ways to accomplish the same result. So the law simply says about taking a human life. You go use a razor blade to cut up a guy and kill him, you will be just as convicted as the guy who used a gun. I doubt you will be asking the judge to show you where it talks of razor blade. Moral of the story, don't ask me where it talks of line locks. If you still don't get it, just call your lawyer explain what you are talking about, then ask him if that is illegal then report back. __________________ E92 335 \| Space Gray \| Saddle Brown Dakota \| Dark Burl Trim \| ZPP \| ZSP \| AT \| Idrive \| 6FL \| FBO \| Dinan CAI \| Quaife LSD \| STG3 PROCede.
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