[Glowin]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Depends on your definition of "no problem."
34.2 is not the real issue here. Diagnostics indicating tune use go way back, although codes that dealers can identify have changed. The important concern is BMW policy, regardless of type of tune or flash or software version. If they really want to see what you are up to FASTA data provides a lot of information. At the dealer-level you should be as 'invisible' now after clearing codes as you were with your prior software version.

Thanks Doc. I didn't clarify before, but by clearing codes I meant doing so using the Procede rev II's internal code clearing capability vs. a BT tool, which sounds like it's not an issue anyway.

As far as the FASTA data, do you know if this version will now capture more data than before? Just trying to figure out what impact, if any, this new version might have on me, basically.

Lastly, is it safer because of this new BMW software to now run doomsday maps instead of the non doomsday ones, even if one is on Rev II and can clear codes? I'm leaning that way...

[pellinore]

Isn't it illegal to collect that data, wouldn't it be a violation of our privacy.
I did some quick searching and what I found was that a diagnostic test is started and the results are sent back to BMW(FASTA) didn't seem like logs. One service post I found was a guy having problems with a phone, he didn't have an authorized one but the data didn't know. They said if the phone was hooked up while the FASTA data was sent than they would know.

[Zeph]

Sorry, but I can't say mods are the only reason these cars fail. I lost my low pressure pump, then my clutch blew out, then my HPFP failed. I know the clutch isn't because of the US ethanol scam. My cousin owned a BMW convertible about 10-12 years go and she had constant problems with hers, mostly electrical stuff. My mom told me I should NOT buy this car and I did anyway. Guess mom's are still +1 even for a 33 year old :\

I am not mad, atleast they fixed the problems no questions asked. But this letter about 10 years / 120k miles??? Sorry, that is a FAIL meaning they really don't plan to fix the problem properly... I find it VERY hard to believe there is no fix, but I do believe it might be more than they are willing to spend and therefore they have to continue searching for a cheaper solution.

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by Glowin

Thanks Doc. I didn't clarify before, but by clearing codes I meant doing so using the Procede rev II's internal code clearing capability vs. a BT tool, which sounds like it's not an issue anyway.

As far as the FASTA data, do you know if this version will now capture more data than before? Just trying to figure out what impact, if any, this new version might have on me, basically.

Lastly, is it safer because of this new BMW software to now run doomsday maps instead of the non doomsday ones, even if one is on Rev II and can clear codes? I'm leaning that way...

Most of these are Shiv Qs.

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by Seth@TechnicalDimensions

...Our Porsche and Audi factory scan tools have been extremely expensive and what most would consider "unreasonable cost". The ISIS takes that to an entirely new level of cost-prohibitve...

I can't imagine indies would ever need ISIS. A simple data stream that would provide BMW with VIN & a few ECU details would be sufficient to then allow a password response back from BMW to unlock the ECU.

[GMWNashville]

ISIS sucks anyway...if they would spend more time fixing ISIS and less time worrying about whos tuning what...maybe it would actually work by now...

[Zeph]

Originally Posted by volkswackin

ISIS sucks anyway...if they would spend more time fixing ISIS and less time worrying about whos tuning what...maybe it would actually work by now...

better yet, quit trying to find ways to screw people and just fix the damn HPFP, among other things...

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by pellinore

Isn't it illegal to collect that data, wouldn't it be a violation of our privacy.
I did some quick searching and what I found was that a diagnostic test is started and the results are sent back to BMW(FASTA) didn't seem like logs. One service post I found was a guy having problems with a phone, he didn't have an authorized one but the data didn't know. They said if the phone was hooked up while the FASTA data was sent than they would know.

They can look up their data and even determine what kind of phone you have hooked up to your car. In case it is non-approved and locks up your TCU, etc. Can the car transmit all this FASTA data without you knowing it? It seems it was be easy technically. The question is whether BMW is actually doing it.

[ebeem]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

They can look up their data and even determine what kind of phone you have hooked up to your car. In case it is non-approved and locks up your TCU, etc. Can the car transmit all this FASTA data without you knowing it? It seems it was be easy technically. The question is whether BMW is actually doing it.

once you become suspicious(exhaust,young guy,wheels or drop etc) they might take some extra time to just take a quick look at the data logs while your car is at the dealership.....
if they find something,great for them
if not,nobody has ever seen or heard anything and you could not prove that anybody looked in your ECU systems anyway

[Glowin]

So what does all this FASTA data contain? Does it log boost? How far back does it log (how many days worth)?

And related to that, but Procede specific, what does the ECU see as far as boost when boost is 14 PSI? Curious what would be logged...

[pellinore]

Originally Posted by Glowin

So what does all this FASTA data contain? Does it log boost? How far back does it log (how many days worth)?

And related to that, but Procede specific, what does the ECU see as far as boost when boost is 14 PSI? Curious what would be logged...

No one seems to know, it might not even log data. From searching around it's seems like when your dealer runs a diagnostic test the data from that test is sent to BMW and it's called FASTA. From my previous post BMW could not tell that an unauthorized phone was used, they could only tell if the phone was hooked up to the car at the time of the diagnostic test. But like I said no one seems to know for sure.
For the couple of people that have had warranty work denied they seem to have had the tune physically in the car, if this FASTA data contained so called tuner detection logs than I think we would have seen a lot more denied warranty work.

[Borsig]

Originally Posted by pellinore

No one seems to know, it might not even log data. From searching around it's seems like when your dealer runs a diagnostic test the data from that test is sent to BMW and it's called FASTA. From my previous post BMW could not tell that an unauthorized phone was used, they could only tell if the phone was hooked up to the car at the time of the diagnostic test. But like I said no one seems to know for sure.
For the couple of people that have had warranty work denied they seem to have had the tune physically in the car, if this FASTA data contained so called tuner detection logs than I think we would have seen a lot more denied warranty work.

thats a good point.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by pellinore

No one seems to know, it might not even log data. From searching around it's seems like when your dealer runs a diagnostic test the data from that test is sent to BMW and it's called FASTA. From my previous post BMW could not tell that an unauthorized phone was used, they could only tell if the phone was hooked up to the car at the time of the diagnostic test. But like I said no one seems to know for sure.
For the couple of people that have had warranty work denied they seem to have had the tune physically in the car, if this FASTA data contained so called tuner detection logs than I think we would have seen a lot more denied warranty work.

The only way they would question FASTA data pertaining to your phone would be if you had a $1500 locked up TCU that you were trying to claim under warranty. As far as denied warranty work, I just don't think there are many claims for long blocks or BLOWN turbos yet. I think in the beginning, some of the turbos were replaced simply for rattling wastegate issues, etc.

[pellinore]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

The only way they would question FASTA data pertaining to your phone would be if you had a $1500 locked up TCU that you were trying to claim under warranty. As far as denied warranty work, I just don't think there are many claims for long blocks or BLOWN turbos yet. I think in the beginning, some of the turbos were replaced simply for rattling wastegate issues, etc.

There was a guy here that got denied a fuel pump replacement because he had a tune in the car, wouldn't they be denying more people with this FASTA data. I just can't see them not denying warranty work if they have this data.
But I could be completely wrong, they could be logging everything we do in our car. I'll have to go over the terms of the sale and see if there says anything about being able to "spy" on us.

[Tuned335i]

Well there's a lot of potentially depressing information in this thread. That Z06 is looking better and better, even if it doesn't have fit and finish quality of the 335i. Even if 50% of the stuff people are saying about BMW is true, it's too much.

[rismo]

I'm in the IT, but if the car would store FASTA big time, my main question would be, were would they store this till the point that BMW reads it out... You cannot tell me that if you do not touch base with a BMW dealer in let's say 6 months, all the data could be stored somewhere in the ECU. That would require almost a hard drive on itself... of course depending heavily on what is stored, but the detailed data as some think over here, would require a big amount of storage somewhere in the ECU...

[Hit_Apex]

I'm on 34.2.0.4 and car feels as fast as ever.

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by rismo123

I'm in the IT, but if the car would store FASTA big time, my main question would be, were would they store this till the point that BMW reads it out... You cannot tell me that if you do not touch base with a BMW dealer in let's say 6 months, all the data could be stored somewhere in the ECU. That would require almost a hard drive on itself... of course depending heavily on what is stored, but the detailed data as some think over here, would require a big amount of storage somewhere in the ECU...

I was kind of wondering this myself but, I guess if they are only recording things like the minimum and maximum values of fuel trims, timing advance, boost, etc... it wouldn't take up that much room.

To actually record everything at a sample rate that would make any sense would be massive considering these cars can (haha) go a year between services.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by rismo123

I'm in the IT, but if the car would store FASTA big time, my main question would be, were would they store this till the point that BMW reads it out... You cannot tell me that if you do not touch base with a BMW dealer in let's say 6 months, all the data could be stored somewhere in the ECU. That would require almost a hard drive on itself... of course depending heavily on what is stored, but the detailed data as some think over here, would require a big amount of storage somewhere in the ECU...

I suspect you are right about limited storage space for ongoing data. It would be huge to store all the engine parameters for months and months at a time.

I had a dialogue with Duram at Bavarian Technik about this and he was pretty certain that the DME stores continous data regarding your last 30 drives only.

So this would suggest they are recycling limited storage space in the ECU.

However, he also stated that only BMW engineers know what is downloaded during a PUMA case, so that part is still a mystery.

[ebeem]

Originally Posted by hotrod2448

I was kind of wondering this myself but, I guess if they are only recording things like the minimum and maximum values of fuel trims, timing advance, boost, etc... it wouldn't take up that much room.

To actually record everything at a sample rate that would make any sense would be massive considering these cars can (haha) go a year between services.

+1

probably the peak values or other values which exceeded certain limits would be stored permanently

[rismo]

I know from a MB C64 amg guy that his 8th set of brakes was refused based on the fact that MB stated that he pushed his car to much. They based this on the amount of times ABS was activated.

From that perspective I also assume that BMW registers low's and high's and event counters...

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

I'm on 34.2.0.4 and car feels as fast as ever.

1 - What did you get upgraded from?
2 - You MSD80 or 81?
3 - What tune are you running?

I swear this thing for me has WAY more lag than the 29.2 did...