[Tiago@VRSF]

To me a stage 1 that offers slightly better top end with a slight sacrifice in bottom end isn't worth $2500+.

I'd wait for an upgraded chra with larger compressor/turbine wheels before I jump on the turbo upgrade bus.

[hun77777]

just waiting for helix and EPL/tial to come up with pricing before i make my move... should be interesting summer...

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by JoeyFiasco

that must be nice. what are wage taxes like?

you don't want to know... it depends where you live as in Switzerland the wages taxes differ in every Kanton / Province and every village / city. (very interesting system as this creates competition) I am living in the Zürich region which is not bad. With a salary of about 100.000 EUR bruto you would pay around 16-20% income tax (depending on your tax deductions). But for example in a village 10km away (where Federer and Raikonen live) you pay about 4% income tax when earning 68.000 EURO. There is a reason why people move over here

[G.I.Joe]

Originally Posted by marcel b

you don't want to know... it depends where you live as in Switzerland the wages taxes differ in every Kanton / Province and every village / city. (very interesting system as this creates competition) I am living in the Zürich region which is not bad. With a salary of about 100.000 EUR bruto you would pay around 16-20% income tax (depending on your tax deductions). But for example in a village 10km away (where Federer and Raikonen live) you pay about 4% income tax when earning 68.000 EURO. There is a reason why people move over here

I have a friend of mine who moved there from Denmark and has his own company. He now has 5 cars, among which are 2 BMW's and a 911....

In Denmark we have 25% VAT, 40-58% income tax and 180% tax + VAT on cars..... My 335i set me back the equivalent of 180.000 USD with todays exchange rate.

I think the stage 1 turbo's are cheap.... And I can't wait for the stage 2 ones to come out. I think the chip tuning is bound to be supplemented by new turbo's sometime in the not too distant future

Wonder if near ~500 bhp for "everyday reliability" will be possible with the stage 2 turbo's and software optimization and regular fuel. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by G.I.Joe

I have a friend of mine who moved there from Denmark and has his own company. He now has 5 cars, among which are 2 BMW's and a 911....

In Denmark we have 25% VAT, 40-58% income tax and 180% tax + VAT on cars..... My 335i set me back the equivalent of 180.000 USD with todays exchange rate.

Denmark and also Norway are insane, I know. In Switzerland cars are cheap (compared to the rest of Europe) the same for fuel prices. A full packed 335i is about 100.000USD here. Makes me not wanna leave this place and was one of the nice surprises when I moved to Switzerland 5 years ago. But... let's get back to the topic.

The price of the turbo upgrade seems fair to me to

[TurboBimmer]

How much do you expect to pay for the installation? I know my dealer quoted me 900-1000 EURO when I got my turbos replaced due to wastegate rattle. But I've got no idea what independant shops would charge?

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by Autobahn335i

How much do you expect to pay for the installation? I know my dealer quoted me 900-1000 EURO when I got my turbos replaced due to wastegate rattle. But I've got no idea what independant shops would charge?

I would expect half or even less (in Germany). Do you know how many hours it takes?

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by marcel b

I would expect half or even less (in Germany). Do you know how many hours it takes?

I would think 8-10 hours. I would not really think it to be much less than 1000 EUR though...even for an independent shop. It's a lot of work as there is so little space.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[cstavaru]

Question: do these upgraded turbos offer any power gains on a non-tuned (no flash/piggyback) car (but with intake and exhaust to ensure proper air/gas flow) ?

[enrita]

You need to tune the car ... You cant just run them as they are on stock boost. Complete waste of money.
The stock turbos are perfectly fine on 8 psi, you want bigger to sustain more boost especially up top.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by enrita

You need to tune the car ... You cant just run them as they are on stock boost. Complete waste of money.
The stock turbos are perfectly fine on 8 psi, you want bigger to sustain more boost especially up top.

+1

There will be several options for this - those with JB3 or PROCede should be able to continue using them for the upgraded turbos (at least the latest versions, i.e. JB3 2.0 and PROCede v.4), and flash tuners will also develop maps for the upgrades.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[joec500]

Originally Posted by marcel b

Denmark and also Norway are insane, I know. In Switzerland cars are cheap (compared to the rest of Europe) the same for fuel prices. A full packed 335i is about 100.000USD here. Makes me not wanna leave this place and was one of the nice surprises when I moved to Switzerland 5 years ago. But... let's get back to the topic.

The price of the turbo upgrade seems fair to me to

100,000 USD CHEAP????

I guess the $35,000 I paid for 1.5 year old 335i Coupe is considered a steal where you guys come from...

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by joec500

100,000 USD CHEAP????

I guess the $35,000 I paid for 1.5 year old 335i Coupe is considered a steal where you guys come from...

it's Europe... I do not understand how cars can be so cheap in the US, as the tax e.g is lower then in the US. In Holland, where I come from, a nice 335 is about 145.000 USD, so for me the 100 grand is already cheap And in Norway or Denmark it is even far more expensive. You are luck over there, also with the petrol prices.

[hun77777]

Originally Posted by marcel b

it's Europe... I do not understand how cars can be so cheap in the US, as the tax e.g is lower then in the US. In Holland, where I come from, a nice 335 is about 145.000 USD, so for me the 100 grand is already cheap And in Norway or Denmark it is even far more expensive. You are luck over there, also with the petrol prices.

get over here and get porsche 911 for that price!

time to talk to us immigration! gas price went up 3 times since 9.11 (used to be less than $1 one point of time around 2000ish) but still much cheaper than most countries in the world... yes it's good to be in the states for sure.

[Funkmob]

Originally Posted by marcel b

it's Europe... I do not understand how cars can be so cheap in the US, as the tax e.g is lower then in the US. In Holland, where I come from, a nice 335 is about 145.000 USD, so for me the 100 grand is already cheap And in Norway or Denmark it is even far more expensive. You are luck over there, also with the petrol prices.

Holland charges VAT + BPM wich is another tax that is calculated according to the horsepower produced if im correct.

When you buy a 1.2 million euro Veyron in holland you will pay around 800 000 VAT+BPM so it'l cost about 2 milll.

The owner of the Trust company has got 2

In Belgium we have 21% VAT on cars , my 335I e92 is about 62000euro with options.

though we have BIV wich is also a tax calculated on horsepower. Anything above 200hp will be charged with 5000euro tax on registration.

Yearly road tax is calculated on cilinder volume , 3000 cc is about 850euro a year . 4000cc is already 1800euro a year.

Around christmas i was in Bangkok , saw a BMW exposition in the main shopping mall. They showed a 325I and a e93 M3.

The 325I was about 150000 dollar and the M3 convertible was about 250000 dollar. And believe it or not , you see alot of young kids driving expensive BMW's over there.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

BTT please!

Alpina_B3_Lux

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by Funkmob

Holland charges VAT + BPM wich is another tax that is calculated according to the horsepower produced if im correct.

The Dutch BPM Tax since last year is linked to CO2 emission (before it was a fix percentage), not to HP.

[marcel b]

Now coming back to the topic. Would a stage 1 upgrade make sense on a car with BMW power kit, an aftermarket FMIC and airintake? How much HP would be talking about?
If I understand it correctly it would mean that the turbos work less hard and with that generate less heat which would be a good thing.

[enrita]

No it wont make sense on power kit. The stock turbos can handle such low boost without any issues.

[rismo]

Hi guys,

Sorry for all my questions, but i'm seriously looking into this...and I want to have it seriously prepped,

My next question; I'm planning to run the turbo kit with my (ordered) Procede v4, quite often when I'm at my dealer they ask me to take it out, for example if they have to fix an injector or HPFP... would the car be running at all with the new turbo kit but without the Procede?... If not this might become a diagnostic nightmare in case the dealer has to perform checks and need to have to engine run stock...

What are your thoughts?

Cheers,
René

[joec500]

Originally Posted by rismo123

Hi guys,

Sorry for all my questions, but i'm seriously looking into this...and I want to have it seriously prepped,

My next question; I'm planning to run the turbo kit with my (ordered) Procede v4, quite often when I'm at my dealer they ask me to take it out, for example if they have to fix an injector or HPFP... would the car be running at all with the new turbo kit but without the Procede?... If not this might become a diagnostic nightmare in case the dealer has to perform checks and need to have to engine run stock...

What are your thoughts?

Cheers,
René

There should not be any issues running this uprated turbo on the stock ECU, it's not like you are making drastic changes, like a huge single turbo. But you might want to ask someone who has done the turbo upgrade to make sure. But from experience in upgrading turbos in my other cars, they ran fine with upgraded turbos on a stock ECU, they just didn't leverage the benefits on the stock tune.

[jpsimon]

if you're upgrading your turbos don't bother worrying about a warranty