[noro]

Yes I'll give you that. My initial outburst was biased because majority of the Detroit built cars lack the refinement. And I do agree that it has nothing to do with the actual workers, but it does have to do with the corporate philosophy and guidance so perhaps there is no problem with the 3er being built here.

Originally Posted by Staszek

Tell that to all the Toyota owners who get there cars out of Kentucky and still constantly rank as some of the best built most reliable cars in the world.

Its not where the car is built (well maybe in China), it is how it is designed and the equipment used to build them.

GM makes crap because the cars were designed like junk, not because of the workers (sure they may be a bit slower).

Check the X3/Z4 boards those cars are pretty reliable, and definitely not less so then the German built 3 series.

[Universal_Magnetic]

Originally Posted by Staszek

Why? The cars are selling at the prices they are at, the reason to move to the US would be to make more profits, why adjust the price and lose the profits that you are making from doing the move in the first place. That's just simply bad business.

Well, they recently increased their pricing by ~2.1%, they will keep that extra margin of profit and started building vehicles in NA; they are cutting costs by travel/importing and keeping extra profit, many consumers may look at another brand...there are many competitors.

[JSpira]

Originally Posted by Universal_Magnetic

Well, they recently increased their pricing by ~2.1%, they will keep that extra margin of profit and started building vehicles in NA; they are cutting costs by travel/importing and keeping extra profit, many consumers may look at another brand...there are many competitors.

BMW is moving to a pull model of sales so they probably won´t mind losing the customers who can´t truly afford a BMW when it´s priced at realistic market rates instead of the highly-subsidized rates that have prevailed in the past few years.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by noro

I believe the auto manufacturing process in Germany is better.

Besides being designed in Germany, you might be interested to know that much, if not all, of the manufacturing equipment is built in Germany using German (or European if German is not available) and then shipped here. Even test and QC equipment is generally German. About the only thing not German are some of the employees.

We sell some force sensors and data acquisition system to the plant and know of the difficulties in getting domestic equipment in there. What we sell them is actually Swiss but is as close to German as could be had.

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by noro

Yes I'll give you that. My initial outburst was biased because majority of the Detroit built cars lack the refinement. And I do agree that it has nothing to do with the actual workers, but it does have to do with the corporate philosophy and guidance so perhaps there is no problem with the 3er being built here.

Ah, sweet vindication. It's mine, mine!

[Staszek]

Originally Posted by methodtim

Ah, sweet vindication. It's mine, mine!

HAHA! No its mine, I put it in a more gentle manor then your post lol!

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by Staszek

HAHA! No its mine, I put it in a more gentle manor then your post lol!

True, true, kudos to you my man.

[roozie2001]

very true on the toyota comment. if someone would have told you 10-15 yrs ago that theyre gonna make toyotas in the U.S with the same quality and it also would become the 2nd largest car manufacturer in the world u would have laughed. but its true. and dont be surprised when it passes GM eventually and becomes #1.

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

very true on the toyota comment. if someone would have told you 10-15 yrs ago that theyre gonna make toyotas in the U.S with the same quality and it also would become the 2nd largest car manufacturer in the world u would have laughed. but its true. and dont be surprised when it passes GM eventually and becomes #1.

Dude, it already happened.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18286221/

[alan93rsa]

Yup, there goes BMW... good I have another reason to move on to Porsches

I'd suggest some of you take a stroll down the assembly lines at the European automakers and check out who is building the cars. It is a very mixed group of people. I was surprised on a couple of my visits.

[cliverman]

Originally Posted by noro

Nobody fucking cares what makes you sick.. that's your own problem.

As others said, each part of the world has its strength and weaknesses. I believe the auto manufacturing process in Germany is better. There are plenty of other things that are far better here in US than anywhere else, and my desire to drive a German built car in no way contradicts to my love for the country I now reside in.

+100 - Well stated. My thoughts exactly.

[simp0man]

As long as the engineering and designs stay German it still is a German car. I feel more comfortable for it built here than south America.

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by simp0man

As long as the engineering and designs stay German it still is a German car. I feel more comfortable for it built here than south America.

Don't you mean South Africa?

[simp0man]

Originally Posted by methodtim

Don't you mean South Africa?

Referring to VW's Beetle.

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by simp0man

Referring to VW's Beetle.

VW Beetles are manufactured in Puebla, Mexico. I don't know where you learned your geography, but Mexico is part of North America.

[Optlabguy]

I wouldn't be concerned about the 3-series being built here in SC.
I am on my 6th BMW since 1994, and the most problem free one I had was my 97 Z-3 built in SC.

[ska///235i]

I dont care what others think, but if BMW is built in US....I'm not buying, plain and simple

[simp0man]

Originally Posted by methodtim

VW Beetles are manufactured in Puebla, Mexico. I don't know where you learned your geography, but Mexico is part of North America.

Thought it was in Brazil since it has a big butt.

[shark]

Originally Posted by Staszek

Tell that to all the Toyota owners who get there cars out of Kentucky and still constantly rank as some of the best built most reliable cars in the world.

Its not where the car is built (well maybe in China), it is how it is designed and the equipment used to build them.

GM makes crap because the cars were designed like junk, not because of the workers (sure they may be a bit slower).

Check the X3/Z4 boards those cars are pretty reliable, and definitely not less so then the German built 3 series.

I was the one with Toyota Camry from Kentucky and trust me after 3 years of ownership car had big problems with ABS,etc. Just right after the warranty expired. I just got rid of that junk.

[imolazhp_ci]

whatever. my Z4 M Coupe is built in the US i think, and it's built way better than my 3 Series from Dingolfing was.

[Seminole]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

whatever. my Z4 M Coupe is built in the US i think, and it's built way better than my 3 Series from Dingolfing was.

I thought all ///M cars were built at the ///M factory in Germany?

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by ska

I dont care what others think, but if BMW is built in US....I'm not buying, plain and simple

Right. no one cares.

Just means less demand and better deals for others.