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02-17-2017, 03:23 PM | #23 | |
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Good thing I like to keep a record of my conversations with vendors (and everyone else) But back in 2014/2015, I asked AA if they were selling the tune from the 128i car they used for testing their headers on - I was told the tune they sell was a "variant" I PMd Andrew in private and asked if I could get a dyno tune, where he told me I could, but the peak gains were about 3whp vs the off the shelf, which I don't believe is a lie. What I was upset about, and what I will always maintain, is what they are selling isn't what was advertised. That 128i's tune isn't what they were selling you or I (which I would have been happy with) instead, it was a 3sm tune with the CEL turned off. Soft limiter was still there, DISA transition was still there, cat overheat protection was still there. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...1345649&page=4 Notice no one ever bashed AA, but I did tell David I (who was previously a potential customer) was upset at the bait and switch - and you should be too. I'm not doing it for me anymore, I'm doing it for you and everyone else. |
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If you're running this AA tune then yes, absolutely. If not, look elsewhere.
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02-17-2017, 03:40 PM | #26 | |
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When AA came out with the tune for N52, their gen 1 tune, the tune didn't do shit. Since then, AA issued an update (in 2013?), which is their gen 2 tune. Gen 2 is an improvement over gen 1. Not many, currently active, people have gen 1. According to few posts by AA reps, AA is revisiting their gen 2 tune and is trying to get more power from it. If you have gen 1 AA tune, then going to BPC is def worth it, as you are essentially stock. |
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02-17-2017, 03:43 PM | #27 | |
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02-17-2017, 03:46 PM | #28 | |
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If AA has a lame too , sure , whatever , end of the day numbers are the pretty much the same, that is what matters for me on a daily commuter , as I dont track the car. I have gen 2 aa tune Maybe AA will come with a better tune which won't cost the guys already running AA tune an arm and leg . Im happy with the power the car has now , including power delivery. Car still running strong after 2 years running their tune, no issues with erratic rpm jumping or weird codes . That is the most important part to me |
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If you're running an up-to-date AA tune then I see no reason to change unless you want that bit of extra bottom end torque. Personally, I want BPC's Alpha-N tune that AA can't supply, and after all the bullshit I wouldn't trust them to deliver anyway. And since this will depend on lambda numbers from the dyno pulls with a custom bored TB I doubly wouldn't trust 'em. Otherwise doesn't matter to me which one anyone uses and it's definitely nice to see competition at work.
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02-17-2017, 03:55 PM | #31 | |
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As far as I understand you are saying the AA 128 tune is not available , sure I believe that, which means the OP has the regular gen 2 AA tune which is the one you were criticizing. However dyno results showed same max HP and Torque as BPC tune . Op dyno results is from their off shelve tune which is not the 128 tune they were advertising , because as far as I understand from your post , that tune is not available . Again the tune AA sold OP shows almost identical results ad the tune BPC sold OP , period . Now you have the alpha tune which I understand is better , but AA has the 128 tune they were advertising according to you which is better than the one they are selling to the public. So how do they both compare to each other? .... |
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02-17-2017, 03:57 PM | #32 | |
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My dyno shows that that their gen 2 tune is OK. pete should be putting down at least as much whp as I, if not more. However, with his very similar setup, IIRC, he managed to put down only 225whp. That is the issue. |
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02-17-2017, 04:01 PM | #34 |
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Im not even sure why you guys try to make it more complicatd as OP made it simple
He dyno his gen 2 AA tune and then bought the BPC tune and dyno'ed . He posted results to compare, numbers look very similar , end of story. |
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but they are different cars on a dyno , you can not really compared both. You are never going to get the same numbers I dyno mine at 230 whp , and there are some people running AA tune that have put down over 240 whp. The best comparison you can do is something like you have done, same car, same dyno, similar conditions. On average the cars with AA or BPC are putting down between 225hp lower end - 245 whp higher end . I have not seen anyone putting down over 250 whp yet. There a lot of factors , RWD , AWD, manual , automatic, etc etc |
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I paid $250 for a lifetime custom tuning. I hope someone affordable comes to the market for you guys.
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However if that is true , then BPC tune also does not have any improvement as the results are the same as aa gen 2 pretty much This is assuming we are talking about AA gen 2 tune as opposed to gen 1 which is what the majority of us have here Im not even sure why we are talking about gen 1 AA tune here, as almost everyone running AA have gen 2 , at least thats what I bought back when I first installed the AA tune ( before their stage 3 off road tune), and this was back in 2013 or 14 |
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