E90Post
 


 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > Engine Fire At The Track



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-22-2012, 02:17 AM   #23
CaptainInsano
First Lieutenant
8
Rep
331
Posts

Drives: 2007 E92 335i 6MT
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Peninsula, SF Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpsimon View Post
The tank I ordered is still a couple weeks away so I haven't gotten to ordering the lines yet. Not sure yet where I'm ordering from
Getting mine made at a local shop. Also got this tank.

Steel is the only way to go.
__________________
FFTEC 6466 6mt 335i | FFTEC GTX3076R Evo IX
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 04:03 AM   #24
cstavaru
Brigadier General
cstavaru's Avatar
308
Rep
3,262
Posts

Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Bucharest, Romania

iTrader: (0)

The windshield washer tank as a methanol tank is probably one of the worst and most dangerous "products" ever designed for the N54. The methanol slushes and creates vapors which are easily ignited given the temperatures in the engine bay. It's just incredible that there are still people running this setup after so many reports of fires !

I'm waiting for the first report of somebody dying because of this. Imagine a car catching fire on a highway at high speed while racing another car, and all the smoke and fire blinding the driver which freakes out, causes a huge accident and dies.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 04:49 AM   #25
BT#2
Banned
Sweden
9
Rep
118
Posts

Drives: 335i n54 e92 MT
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Sweden

iTrader: (0)

To all vendors out there ---> Please just stop selling this shit.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 04:58 AM   #26
enrita
Major General
enrita's Avatar
Sweden
159
Rep
7,378
Posts

Drives: 335i - Big turbos
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Italian in Sweden

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BT#2 View Post
To all vendors out there ---> Please just stop selling this shit.
+1000...
__________________
07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 06:34 AM   #27
rmw04c
Jewbacca
rmw04c's Avatar
10
Rep
219
Posts

Drives: 2011 SGM 335is
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cloud 9

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by klipseracer View Post
But honestly, no offense but you're all idiots for running push fittings and the windshield washer reservoir.

Stop using cheap plastic push tubes and stop mounting your meth kit on the hot side of the engine.... At least use an fittings, braided lines and mount it in the trunk. Just because push fittings work on your Subaru doesn't mean squat here. And stop running 90/10 80/20 if you're going to use the windshield wiper reservoir.

Fire was on the driver's side...and probably calling him an idiot the day after his car catches fire for a different reason than you're stating is...maybe a bit over the top?

I agree though that using the WW reservoir combined with cheap equipment and high mixtures is a recipe for disaster, though. With such a low boiling point, having an already volatile liquid evaporating at an extremely fast rate is asking for a fire. I mean ask yourself this...would you be putting fuel in a tank like that and using cheap rubber tubing to pipe it in? Probably not.
__________________
2007 E92 335i - Retired
2011 E92 6MT 335is - JB4, Stett CP, Synapse BOV, Wagner FMIC, BMS OCC, CDV mod, AFE DCI, Cyba Scoops, BMS Clutch Stop, P3Cars v2.1 vent gauge, LED side markers.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 06:56 AM   #28
alr335xi
McB Autosport
United_States
10
Rep
125
Posts

Drives: E90 335xi Fully Built
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Murrysville,PA

iTrader: (0)

trunk moutned tank solution

Are the good trunk mounted applications? I run Vishnu PWM WW tank meth kit. I am currently finishing an ASR twin turbo upgrade (see my post). I am concerned like the rest of you about a fire. I run a 70/30 mix.

thanks
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 07:20 AM   #29
JamesM3M5
Some dude
United_States
91
Rep
1,780
Posts

Drives: E92 335i
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Northern VA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpsimon View Post
yeah it's got me spooked. I'm in the process of switching to a trunk-mount tank and will be running braided lines the whole way
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainInsano View Post
Same here.
+1000. 15 feet of AN-4 hose and a $100 tank is cheap insurance. There have been WAY too many fire threads with meth users here in the past few weeks.
__________________
RRT
E92 335i/6MT with stuff and things
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 07:22 AM   #30
Rotorocious
Lieutenant Colonel
Rotorocious's Avatar
103
Rep
1,520
Posts

Drives: 335xi
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Colorado

iTrader: (3)

How full is everyone filling their tanks?
I usually only put in a gallon at a time. A couple times when I completely filled it, I could faintly smell the vapor.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 07:24 AM   #31
nomile
Second Lieutenant
10
Rep
261
Posts

Drives: 328xi; 318ti
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Lyons, CO

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by klipseracer View Post
But honestly, no offense but you're all idiots for running push fittings and the windshield washer reservoir... ...will be safely on tap for a couple highway pulls...
You call the OP and other users idiots and then go on to advocate street-racing? Really? You're funny... At least the OP was on a track under controlled conditions. Keep it on the track, people.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 08:37 AM   #32
BrianMN
Banned
114
Rep
2,428
Posts

Drives: 4 Door Family Sedan
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis

iTrader: (7)

Sounds like this could have happened regardless of where the meth reservoir was. If a line popped out of the pump fitting, the WW meth tank would have not been the contributor; rather just the meth system in general.


Very sorry to hear about this OP.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 09:01 AM   #33
GeorgiaTech335coupe
Lieutenant Colonel
76
Rep
1,883
Posts

Drives: Black BMW 335i coupe
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

On my trunk mount, I used the crappy plastic lines, but I had the foresight to place my meth line and all the wiring inside a very thick, heat dissipating flexible tube. You can hold a flame to it for some time and it will still not feel hot to the touch. Maybe an idea for some of the other people out there.
__________________
Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website(e90post.com or any affiliated or nonaffiliated sites), pertaining to modifications, is only to gain acceptance from my/our peers, and does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 09:31 AM   #34
Joshboody
Lieutenant Colonel
65
Rep
1,708
Posts

Drives: pickemuptruck
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ

iTrader: (7)

I used rubber fuel hose as my shielding over the 6mm meth line... I think 1/2 OD. Very nice fit. Not the best option, but very easy and much better then exposed meth line.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 10:35 AM   #35
K20A2_S
Private First Class
3
Rep
128
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 Austin Yellow
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Houston, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335coupe View Post
On my trunk mount, I used the crappy plastic lines, but I had the foresight to place my meth line and all the wiring inside a very thick, heat dissipating flexible tube. You can hold a flame to it for some time and it will still not feel hot to the touch. Maybe an idea for some of the other people out there.
Link.to.tube ??
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 11:02 AM   #36
Syndicategt
Brigadier General
Syndicategt's Avatar
United_States
153
Rep
3,730
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Nor Cal

iTrader: (11)

Quote:
Originally Posted by akotten View Post
- Run mixtures of 50/50 or less (This occurred on a 75/25 mix)
Sorry to hear about your situation, you are definitely not the first and won't be the last.

If you race in NASA events, they do not allow greater than 50/50 mix for this reason. I've been asked mixture % several times when getting my car teched.

Like Shiv said, It's more than likey your cap came over and spilled onto your manifold. This is the reason I always used electrical tape to secure the cap.
__________________
2008 BMW 335i e90 - Sold - Rob Beck Turbos / PROcede V5 / Aquamist HFS-4 / AR Downpipes / AE Exhaust / ER Comp FMIC / ER CP / TiAL BOV / Custom Intake / RPI Scoops / Quaife LSD / Swift-Koni Coilovers / DSS HS / Morr VS8.2 Sig Black / Michelin PSS / P3 Boost Guage / M3 body / M3 steering wheel / Adam's Rotors / Hawk HPS / SS lines /
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 11:07 AM   #37
GeorgiaTech335coupe
Lieutenant Colonel
76
Rep
1,883
Posts

Drives: Black BMW 335i coupe
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by K20A2_S View Post
Link.to.tube ??
Can't remeber off the top of my head. This was done back in Feb of 2010. I'll try to track it down and post it when I find out.
__________________
Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website(e90post.com or any affiliated or nonaffiliated sites), pertaining to modifications, is only to gain acceptance from my/our peers, and does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 11:43 AM   #38
jpsimon
Team Zissou
jpsimon's Avatar
United_States
3058
Rep
10,197
Posts

Drives: 2022 AWD M3 Comp - SMB
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CT

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainInsano View Post
Getting mine made at a local shop. Also got this tank.

Steel is the only way to go.
That howerton tank is awesome, I ordered the ADVAN one. I personally don't like big tanks sitting in the trunk - the advan one sits in the hole in the center of the trunk under the mat

Last edited by jpsimon; 05-22-2012 at 11:51 AM..
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 12:31 PM   #39
klipseracer
Banned
United_States
219
Rep
3,012
Posts

Drives: 2007 E90 335i, 05 E46 330i
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (27)

Garage List
2007 335i  [0.00]
2005 330i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomile View Post
You call the OP and other users idiots and then go on to advocate street-racing? Really? You're funny... At least the OP was on a track under controlled conditions. Keep it on the track, people.
Get out of here... Not everyone, but most people have gunned it on the freeway late at night etc. I personally have done very little street racing if you call it that, but a 60-130 on an open freeway. I've put up several videos of myself doing this and I admit to it 100%. I've gone to f*cking fast. So what? I still think you're all idiots for wanting to use push fittings, doesn't change that one bit. And yes, really. I did say that. Do you really think everyone drives to the track or mexico for their vbox times? Get real and find something else to nit pick about.

EDIT: Advocating street racing? I think not. giving an example where the small size of the custom meth tank I used could be applicable? There is a difference. If I told you this gun could harm someone and kill them with one shot, does that mean I'm advocating killing someone with that weapon? You are being absurd. The tank is too small to run at a road course, only good for say, a few quarter mile passes or HIGH WAY PULLS IN MEXICO does that make you feel better? goodness.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 12:34 PM   #40
TurboBimmer
Lieutenant Colonel
TurboBimmer's Avatar
Luxembourg
79
Rep
1,618
Posts

Drives: F82 M4
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Luxembourg

iTrader: (5)

Anti-meth-use advocate here

Just tune our cars to perform optimal on pump, maybe race gas!
__________________
Performance Seats, Exhaust, Splitters, Pedals, Steering Wheel / RB Turbos / M3 CF Roof / Brembo GT BBK 355/345 / Rollcage / Forge FMIC / Quaife LSD / Öhlins Road & Track / M3 Suspension Parts / Solid Subframe Bushings / Vorshlag Camberplates / Megan Racing Toe Links / LeatherZ Gauges / Extended M3 DCT Paddles / ER Sports OC / AR OC / Aux Radiator / AR DPs / Alpina TCU / COBB Pro-Tune
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 12:39 PM   #41
klipseracer
Banned
United_States
219
Rep
3,012
Posts

Drives: 2007 E90 335i, 05 E46 330i
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (27)

Garage List
2007 335i  [0.00]
2005 330i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Autobahn335i View Post
Anti-meth-use advocate here

Just tune our cars to perform optimal on pump, maybe race gas!
I agree, but I think meth is good to have, in small controlled quantities, it has its purposes. But when you start running it constantly... I think of it as my go fast button

I was doing meth on my 335i before MANY of these people I see on here now even owned their cars now they are in here talking like they are king kong.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 12:41 PM   #42
jpsimon
Team Zissou
jpsimon's Avatar
United_States
3058
Rep
10,197
Posts

Drives: 2022 AWD M3 Comp - SMB
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CT

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by klipseracer View Post
I've gone to f*cking fast. So what?
*too

Couldn't help it since you're calling everyone an idiot
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 12:47 PM   #43
klipseracer
Banned
United_States
219
Rep
3,012
Posts

Drives: 2007 E90 335i, 05 E46 330i
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (27)

Garage List
2007 335i  [0.00]
2005 330i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpsimon View Post
*too

Couldn't help it since you're calling everyone an idiot
yes I'm on my phone. and you followed like a sheep right into push fittings and a fire hazard lol. I'm glad you're going to use braided lines however.
Appreciate 0
      05-22-2012, 01:05 PM   #44
GeorgiaTech335coupe
Lieutenant Colonel
76
Rep
1,883
Posts

Drives: Black BMW 335i coupe
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by K20A2_S View Post
Link.to.tube ??
The tubing was bought from this place (I live near it). Not 100% that this is the same exact tubing.

http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/hight...uretubing.aspx

Here is a link to a website which gives more detail on this type of tubing as well as some other options. Most of these are flame resistant. They are durable and thick too. Some of these lines can resist temperatures up to 500 F indefinitely or up to 1400 F for short periods. If you want heavy duty they have some that go up to 932 F continually or 1732 F for short periods.

http://www.varflex.com/coated_sleevings.html#class240
__________________
Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website(e90post.com or any affiliated or nonaffiliated sites), pertaining to modifications, is only to gain acceptance from my/our peers, and does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:28 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST